Only retards think that the Jets need for a RB is greater than it's need for a WR this year. Only retards.
The point is, you don't draft your most pressing need if it doesn't fit with the available talent. If the FO feels that they can take the receiver they need in the 2nd (and if Maclin is off the board, they likely can), RB is far from a wasted pick. Jones is getting up there in age, and as teams like the Giants have shown, a crowded backfield can be highly beneficial, particularly when you consider how often we'll be running the ball. Without Maclin on the board, our best picks at 17 become Gilbert (if we don't feel we'll get him in the 2nd), Moreno, and Davis.
Hmmmm...T.Jones could hold out for a larger contract......but wait....that's okay...our situation at HB will be fine right?...instead.....let's go draft somebody like Harvin....not because the Jets need him, but because he makes you cum. Excellent logic.
Only a FUCKING retard would think Percy Harvin is a #1 NFL WR. Oh wait, you do...:up: Don't forget, Rex Grossman was awesome at Florida, maybe we should trade our 2nd Rounder for him too.
Percy Harvin has been known to make jaw-dropping, game changing plays. The Jets offense is flat-out boring, predictable, and stagnant just about every year. I don't see how anyone could NOT want to take a shot with this guy. I really don't. He has the ability to add a tremendous dynamic to our offense which we've been lacking forEVER. Having said all that, you can still go out and grab a tall, possession type wideout later on in the draft in addition to Harvin. I really don't see the harm in that.
Exactly. With Leon at RB with Harvin as either the #2 or Slot WR next year, our Offense could actually be exciting for once.
We already have Cotchery as our #1 WR...When have you seen me say that Harvin would be our #1? Please...Let me know. Rex Grossman was awsome @ FLorida? What the hell does that have to do with anything? P.S...I HATE the Gators guy. Go back to Billszone,com with that trash
Leon Washington is a great kick returner and a solid back and once he gets into the open field...He's explsove. But the fact of the matter is this...Leon will NEVER be a #2 WR and Leon will NEVER make plays as a slot WR (Because he's not a WR) Your acting like the Jets are ONLY allowed to have ONE Explsosive playmaker on the offensive side of the ball.
Percy Harvin is not a solid #2. His speed isn't enough of an advantage at the NFL level for him to develop into that kind of receiver. I'd personally like to see Stuckey get a shot at the slot, and I'm not sure Harvin is much of a boost at that position. As far as his explosiveness, I can see a team creating ways to get him the ball on screens, line him up in the backfield, etc. That's how we should be using Leon. The things he brings to the table that are an improvement over our other receivers are the things Leon brings, and would be used in situations that would take away from Leon's playing time, when we should be concerned with increasing Leon's playing time. He has value, but he's not a solid value pick for the Jets.
I get the same feeling. Its incredibly frustrating. My absolute best-fit WR for the Jets would be Maclin, but assuming he's not available, I don't see the problem with adding a dynamic weapon like Harvin. Sure he's a little raw, but so what? I would rather take my chances on a boom/bust prospect than take a slow, possession receiver like Nicks. Show some faith. Have some balls!
Exactly...And how old is Leon? (My favorite Offensive Jet) 26 years old right...Well Harvin is only 20 years of age, yeah he's a little raw @ the WR position (Just about all WR's are coming outta college) But give this kid 6 years, and by the time he's 26 years of age...He could be one of the best WR's in the game. Harvin is a future superstar...Thats only my feeling though.
I can go either way on Harvin but i AM getting kind of sick of the folks who are dead set against him w/o any logic beyond "We need a guy w/ size". The league is no longer about having a workhorse RB, A possession WR, a good blocking Tight end and a speedy big play WR. THe conventional small time offense is taking a back seat to spread formations, mismatches, and stuff like the wildcat. The more guys you have w/ elite speed, athleticism and big play ability the better. If Harvin stays healthy, can run decent patterns and livs up to his college speed/elusiveness...EVERY team including the jets can use his services.
I really didn't want to respond. I respect the hell out of you, Kurt, but I've gotta clarify. Most of the people who don't want Harvin agree that he has a good chance to be a productive player in the NFL. The argument against him as a Jet is not as simple as "we need a guy w/ size." The spread can't work as a primary offense in the NFL due to the size and speed of the defenders. The Wildcat won't be as prevalent this season as it was last season. The more Miami ran it, the less effective it was. I expect to still see it, but that New England-Miami game was a one off thing. A new gimmick will take its place eventually, surprise some teams, and fade away. Percy Harvin is a good prospect for a lot of teams, although I now have to fight the urge to hate him due to a certain poster. His speed and elusiveness will be less of a factor in the NFL. Even the mighty SEC defenders pale in comparison to those in the NFL, again when it comes to size and speed. Harvin works best when you find creative ways to get him the ball and operate in space. However, we already have a player like that in Leon Washington. The case against having TWO players like that is that, again, we're not going to run an offense primarily based on the spread, the wildcat, etc. There aren't enough touches for both of them. Harvin is NOT ideal for a #2 receiver, which is really what we need. Size is a factor, as he lacks the height to compete with some of the better corners, but it's not everything. Again, he very well may do great things for a team in the NFL, but we have other, more pressing needs than him. I'm not advocating drafting a WR in the 1st just to draft a WR. Maclin is just as explosive AND can be a #1/#2, but if he's not there at 17, I'd go in another direction.
could be on of the best WR's in the game. Har Har. Harvin succeeded because of Florida. He doesn't have the WR skills of DHB, Nicks, Britt, Maclin or Crabtree. He was used so that he is the feature guy and Florida used trick plays to get him in the open field. NFL teams won't get fooled and are fast enough to catch him. He will get ripped apart at WR. The only use for him is a wildcat offense. Ginn is the same kind of player as Harvin only with BETTER WR skills. And he's not quite the threat you think Harvin would be. Percy Harvin would be an awful, repeat AWFUL pick for the jets.
Hit the nail on the head. Well put. :up: Cotch is not a good option at #1 and Harvin is not a good option at #2. When you think about it, we really do need a RB more than we need a player like Harvin. Unless of course you're satisfied with 2 undersized RBs on the roster - one of which is over the hill and holding out for a new contract.
