I said DEs/pass rushers. Strahan is going in on his ability to get to the QB so he is in the pass rusher category.
Stand up LB and DE are two completely different positions. White and Smith are considered the best because of their ability to play two ways. Doleman too. A guy who was awful against the run but could rush the passer isnt a HOF'er and the committee has voted that way.
Greene will eventually make it, he wasn't as dominant as the top guys and does have SB wins. if he was on a SB winner he'd be in.
I didn't make anything up, I read it somewhere on the internet. See, I read that somewhere. Please stop being an immature child with your infantile "stick around and learn something" retorts. It's embarrassing, even on the internet. Now I realize why all of the threads you enter go off the rails like your complete and utter silliness on Sanchez. Which is complete and utter silliness. _
reading comprehension isn't your friend today. Stop w/ the attacks on me, you are the one that started this stuff w/ your little anger issues. if you can't handle it don't come after me. Now deflect, good job.
What attacks? What anger? You said RBs are judged on running the football. I said they are judged on more than that. You countered with your infantile retort that you sprinkle all over the site when you are wrong about "sticking around and learning something" from you. It's embarrassing. So I called you a dick--no anger there. Go have fun tilting at windmills--heading into NYC for dinner at Rao's. If I see Marshall Faulk there I'll tell him that his pass catching wasn't that important to him being one of the true greats. _
here was your quote: you turned it into what it has bcome and you are whining like a school girl when someone comes back at you. have fun at dinner, you are the greatest guy I know. self esteem issues?
Junc I totally agree with you about Strahan. I know I was younger in his heyday but I don't ever really remember considering him an elite pass rusher. A couple things I would say in response to your points... -I don't know that the "sham sack record" is really helping him because I think most people know it was a sham. Even people I talk to that don't really know football talk about how Favre laid down for him. If anything, it might hurt his chances. -Him facing a lot of RTs shouldn't really be held against him either. Maybe things were different in the past but don't most elite pass rushers in todays game line up mostly against the RT? Makes sense as it gives them a better chance of success. I know Wake almost always lines up on RT and I'm pretty sure guys like Ware and Jared Allen do too.
everywhere you read about him they mention single season sack record holder. it's still on his resume. It's not facing RTs, it's facing RTs and not dominating. I think Allen is a RDE but not sure, assuming he faces RTs: .82 sacks per game 8 DD sack seasons in 10 years, 80% Allen: .83 sacks per game 7 DD sack seasons in 9 years, 78% Strahan: .66 sacks per game 6 DD sack seasons in 15 years, 40% w/ all this said I consider pressure more important than sacks, maybe he wa pressuring QBs more but they judge based on sack #s and not pressure and he was a leader of a D for 2 of the biggest postseason chokes of all time. To be fair he was a leader for one of the biggest SB upsets too but they had a team full of pass rushers that harassed Brady and they did it again a few years later w/o him. if he was dominating RTs I'd credit him. he was a very good player but I don't think he should be in the Hall and if he does make it then I should be 10-15 years down the road but I think he's making it this year and I think he is based on the sack record and his popularity in the media.
I agree with you he gets way too much attention for whatever reason and I feel like there are a handful of guys in today's game I would much rather have rushing the passer than Michael Strahan. Of course he had the longevity that a lot of guys at that position don't have but as you say, accumulating stats over time doesn't mean you were dominant. If that's the case then lets put guys like Derrick Mason in there too. I laughed when people were acting like he should be a lock and I did the same thing you did. I looked up his sack totals and texted my friend, "shouldn't a lock HOFer have more than 6 DD sack years?" Pressures are definitely important but a lot of pressures in theory should lead to more sacks. I never remember thinking he was the best pass rusher in the league at any given time.
Besides his good (but not Canton-worthy play imho), I'll remember Strahan for his sham sack and his ex-wife's claim during their divorce battle that Mikey installed a camera in their guest room so he could spy on his ex-wife's sister, i.e. the Chuck Berry School of Cinematography. Unfortunately, I think his Fox visability may very well push him over the goal line. Hope not though...your mileage may vary. JStokes: hope you or someone in your party had the lemon chicken...and the meatballs there. .
I know Brown has the #s but I always felt he was overrated. Maybe I'm wrong but I never really thought he was great when watching him.
