Hall of Fame Class of 2014 thread

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  1. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    I think the AFL is well represented. Of course, many of the AFL players who were inducted are fellows who played into the 1970s. Certainly there are several who played the bulk of their careers in the 1960s such as Ron Mix.

    Johnny Robinson is perhaps the best AFLer who has not been enshrined. Jim Tyrer might be #2.
     
  2. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Thus far I have not found this to be the case, but I have only looked at two seasons.
     
  3. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    The Inside20 results were something i read in support of Guy's HOF case. I'll research the more exact stats when i have time to see if that was accurate or a little hyperbole.
    Something to keep in mind though, Inside20 stats were not not made official until Guy had already been in league for several years. Some might argue the reason the league began tracking Inside20 and Hang times were due to Guy's game.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    I have the statistics now, but am not going to post them from my phone. I will get them up sometime within the next few days.
     
  5. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Inside the 20 stats began to be officially kept during the 1976 season which was Guy's 4th season. I have four seasons which I have all the punting data and can easily compare Guy to others. For the other seven seasons, I have Guy's numbers but this is in a register and it would be tedious to look up the numbers of the other punters in those seasons.

    1978-
    Guy- 83 total punt plays, 81 not counting blocks
    14 touchbacks (tied for league lead with Dave Green)
    2 blocked
    38 returned for 309 yards
    23 inside the 20

    other punters with at least 23 punts inside the 20:
    Glen Walker- 26 (85 punts)
    Pat McInally- 25 (91 punts)
    John James- 24 (110 punts)
    Bucky Dilts- 23 (96 punts)
    Mike Bragg- 23 ((104 punts)



    1980-
    Guy- 71 punts
    14 touchbacks (third in league behind Greg Cater's 16 and Larry Swider's 15)
    0 blocked
    34 returned for 268 yards
    18 inside the 20

    10 other punters had at least 18 punts inside the 20 in 1980. John James (79 punts) led the league with 25 inside the 20.



    1981-
    Guy- 96 punts
    15 touchbacks (2nd in league behind Craig Colquitt's 16)
    0 blocked
    45 returned for 514 yards
    23 inside the 20

    other punters with at least 23 punts inside the 20-
    Bob Parsons- 31 (114 punts)
    Chuck Ramsey- 27 (81 punts)
    Craig Colquitt- 25 (84 punts)


    1984-
    Guy- 91 punts
    12 touchbacks (2nd in league behind Jim Arnold's 13)
    0 blocked
    34 returned for 345 yards
    25 inside the 20 (2nd in league behind Dave Finzer's 26; Finzer had 6 fewer punts)


    Guy's numbers since the league began to record more detailed punting statistics-
    1976: (67 punts) 15 TB, 264 return yards, 13 inside the 20
    1977: (59 punts) 14 TB, 217 return yards, 11 inside the 20
    1978: (81 punts) 14 TB, 309 return yards, 23 inside the 20
    1979: (69 punts) 8 TB, 416 return yards, 16 inside the 20
    1980: (71 punts) 14 TB, 268 return yards, 18 inside the 20
    1981: (96 punts) 15 TB, 514 return yards, 23 inside the 20
    1982: (47 punts) 3 TB, 71 return yards, 12 inside the 20
    1983: (78 punts) 10 TB, 334 return yards, 17 inside the 20
    1984: (91 punts) 12 TB, 345 return yards, 25 inside the 20
    1985: (89 punts) 12 TB, 159 return yards, 32 inside the 20
    1986: (90 punts) 11 TB, 357 return yards, 20 inside the 20

    I believe the following are the league leaders for the other seven years for which I do not have a good list of all the punting stats for the given year-

    John James- 28 in 1976
    Mike Bragg- 29 in 1977
    Bob Parsons- 26 in 1979
    Dave Jennings- 16 in 1982
    Jeff Hayes and Dave Jennings- 29 in 1983
    John Kidd- 33 in 1985
    Mike Saxon- 28 in 1986


    Clearly, Guy did not have twice as many inside the 20 punts as any other punter every year. In fact, he never led the league in the category. As for career numbers, Jennings played from 1974-1987 and had 232 punts inside the 20. Guy played from 1973-86 and had 210 punts inside the 20. There are two years of missing data for Jennings and three years of missing data for Guy.

    It looks like Guy allowed fewer return yardage than the league average. There was more coffin corner punting and trying to not allow returns with this punter. Hence, the high touchback numbers.
     
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  6. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    ^ see, now, this is why a site like this absolutely needs guys like Cakes and Murrell.
     

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