Question: For the people who say Carr sucks and take his stats completely out of context (which is why people say football stats are "useless")...how many QBs would be good with the Texans? Would Tom Brady/Peyton Manning still be HOF guys? Would the great Chad have been comeback player of the year, or even have been eligible to be one?
Yeah, Ramsey's only value was he was a great punching bag. He could take a beating we expected the QB was going to take with our OL like it was. Fortunately the OL was much improved come game day. Chad will certainly benefit if they add some juice to the runnning game. Hopefully Jones can provide what we need on offense.
I would give a Vinny jersey, 3 Snickers Bars, and a commemorative video of the Kotite years to get this guy!
that would be fumbleitis....ill give him a pass on those. when youve been beaten like a battered wife, holding onto your spleen becomes more of a priority than the pigskin. ill chalk up at least half his fumbles to sacks. the guy has to be shell shocked. at least phil sims (who also took severe beating early in his career) was tough and eventually the giants built a very good team around him. carr however has been an overpaid tackling dummy because the texans couldnt find a great lineman in the hall of fame, let alone the draft or free agency. ive seen him make some pretty dumb mistakes as well though. he cant compare to penny when it comes to knowledge of the game. sure he was hot shit comming out of college....but so was ryan leaf.... and for the guy who commented that schotty might be able to give him that edge back....i doubt it. im not saying brees has the same physical gifts as carr, but hes sure a much smarter qb, and a better overall player at the position. rivers flourished under cameron, and who knows if he was in from day 1 taking the same beatings that carr took...well, he might not have turned into what kind of qb he was through the first 2/3 of the season. and if you remember, rivers had a pretty sharp dropoff after game 11...
pardon my statement, but thats just dumb. car was a hot prospect comming out of college. he was brought in to build around. the FO has done a piss poor job. im one of the guys who doesnt want him here....but to lay all of his faults at his feet is just being biased and unrealistic. if you take an objective look at his stats, knowing what kind of team he has been on, they arent that bad. like i said about the fumbles, its pretty hard to get the ball out properly with any consistantcy when youre getting plowed into due to the lackluster blocking. ill give carr major credit for not getting hurt during the constant beatings hes recieved...im sure that some qbs would have been "injured". hes tough, ill give him that much.
...After being a labeled a bust, and not impressing anyone for a while... NO ONE saw Drew Brees becoming what he became until the Chargers changed a couple things around...such as making Brian the QB coach... I fail to see the relevance here. If its about my Schott point...well Schott only left his job as QB coach this year. He was still coaching the QBs in the years Rivers was on the bench. It's not like QB coaches only coach starters.
...Last I checked potential doesn't win football games. Production does. Chad is a qb with a winning record in the national football league who last year put up respectable numbers without having a running game. Understand, Chad THRIVES with a running game, it helps him set up the short pass and it helps him set up what he's best at, the play action. Carr has alot of potential, but I don't understand the rational by trading a winning QB for a guy with potential. Happy feet isn't something that can be fixed easily unfortunately, and because Carr played with human turnstiles for an o-line, he's developed quite the case of happy feet.
1. Consider Carr's situation. No offensive line + young QB = BAD. 2. Every QB has a shot to "thrive" with a running game. 3. Trent Dilfer at one point could be labeled a "winning QB." After all, he has a ring right? A teams W-L record should not be how we judge a QB. And no this does not mean Chad does not produce, I'm arguing the illogical use of a TEAMS W-L record being pinned on one man. 4. Agreed on the happy feet, but I think theres always hope with someone as young and intelligent as Carr.
imo bringing in david carr would be an UP GRADE over clemson, that being said,the FO really liked matt schaub and he will be a free agent next year.
I like the trade...chad cant get over that early playoff hump, gets hurt too much, and gets his recievers completely killed.
The jets didnt have a run game because of pennington last year...how hard is it to stop the run when you know the QB cant throw the ball more then 35 yards in the air without it being a complete lollypop.
This is my philosophy is that we should keep chad and move on. If da bears can go to the superbowl with a bum Qb like rex grossman we dam sure have alot of potential. maybe rex and chad have the same arm but his thinking is far more superior
This is a waste of a thread. Kubiak goes into Houston and after 1 year of evaluation, he has decided that Carr is done and would prefere Jake Plummer. Kubiak was able to develop Plummer and he had some great seasons in Denver until Kubiak left. I know Shotty sits at the right hand of god, but I have a lot of respect for Kubiak from his experience with Elway, Shanahan, and dealing with Plummer. Carr is done. Couch also had great potential where is he at.
Yea but that just proved the point he had one good year I remember it was when the media was talking about Carr cutting his hair . But bak to the point the FO should have put a better line in front of Carr not a brick of swiss cheese . Now if that was the players the FO wanted then they shoulda evaluated better . I dont put all the blame on Carr it has to be distributed to the line injuries to the team and the FO and coaching staff but, should the Jets give Carr an untested QB a chance when they have a battl eproven QB and quote from all the other users the QB of the future in the org ????? I'd rather Vinney or evan Drew to come in and mentor Clems . Not that that is a sure shot thing or evan gonna happen ....
ok Ok all have valid arguments, but i would mind having carr on the roster...if only to push pennington to be that much better. Carr isnt horrible, what did he have in houston?? Nothing, no O-line, no real running game, no real passing game..bring him here and put our o-line in front and give him our weapons and he could be elite. Pennington is a good thinker, but lets not forget about the shoulder...he had one good season with it but have you all forgotten the fiasco 2 years ago? What if he goes down again? You really think kellen is gonna do anything, maybe in a few years but not now. If anything get carr in as a backup and maybe to push chad a little. If the price is right i saw we get him, but i wouldnt go out of the way to pick him up.
Dude I REALLY want to like...rebut your posts but I'm having serious trouble translating them. One thing I'll address really quickly: How significant is it to be "battle proven" anyway? Tom Brady was only a 6th round QB thrown into the fire until his team won the Super Bowl, did he overcome his weakness of not being "battle proven" or does "battle proven" have no significance at all? Would you take the "battle proven" Trent Dilfer or Kerry Collins over any young, un-battle proven QB?
