I think the Jets should make a run at David Carr

As much as I like Carr, I don't see any point in giving up a pick that is more important to use on filling needs instead of upgrading a solid position...

 

"Has Carr had remotely close to the talent around him that Chad has had?"

Are you kidding me? Chad had talent around him? With a rookie left guard, rookie center, rookie back, a rookie head coach and a rookie offensive line coach calling the plays. Yeah right. And he STILL brought the Jets to the playoffs! Carr in fact has had talent around him. He has had a decent running back, decent play making wide outs AND he has had great coaching, and has never so much as sniffed a playoff birth. He also has had a decent defense recently giving him more chances on the field. Not to mention some upgrades to his protection this passed year.

I respect yours and all of the Chad hating people's opinions too. But why even bring up a QB trade at this point? Mangini and the staff have already stated that Chad will be the starting QB going into camp. That said, it is my opinion that talking about trading for Carr (an NFL QB on the cusp of being cut the last two seasons) is completely irrelevant and is pure trolling at this point. There will be no trading for starting QBs unless Chad hurts himself in the off-season. PERIOD. So unless you are a troll, trolling for negative feedback, than please let this ridiculous topic go.

Chad Pennington is the NFL comeback player of the year currently. When healthy, he has seen more playoff time than most of the current NFL starting QBs today. I have no problems with a healthy Chad. He's a proven leader, makes some great decisions under pressure, very tricky with the play action when he has a running game, and the starting QB of my favorite NFL team. I honestly don't get some of you sometimes.

The year that Chad fails while having superbowl caliber players and coaching around him, is the year that I will start criticizing keeping Chad Pennington as the starting QB. That simply has not happened yet.

 

Are you kidding me?

Do you really believe Chad is the reason we were in the playoffs?

:rofl:

Lets see...in his best season Chad had...a top offensive line...a top WR...a HOF RB...

In his other best season he had all that stuff but the WR BUT we add a top defense to that list.

Wow, just the idea that you really believe Chad (or any QB) is the SOLE REASON we were in the playoffs is stunning, but to say he NEVER had talent around him is ridiculous.

 

Stop DOING THAT!!

Chad is the best. He's the sole reason the Jets are good. Carr sucks, he can't lead, he can't win, and he's an idiot.

 

Please show me where I siad "Chad never had talent" around him. I was speaking of this last past season where we ended up in the playoffs despite the MAJOR lackings in running game, and veterans on the coaching staff and offense. You are the one being rediculous if you think that Chad had nothing to do with why we were playing in January this passed year.

And for the record, when Chad DOES have talented NFL players around him (not rookies) and Chad is healthy (obvious big "if" there) they also end up going into the playoffs. So I am wondering where the short comings are with Chad as the starting QB?

Put superbowl talant around Chad, and the the Jets are not only in the playoffs, they have a shot at the SB. Thats a fact. And again, until Chad proves otherwise with talented pros around him I will stick to my guns on this matter.

CHAD IS THE STARTING QUARTER BACK FOR THIS YEAR. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON ALREADY!

 

Pennington has had 1 complete season in 7 years in the NFL, he is due a huge roster bonus in 08 with a completely untested shrimp QB as the backup? You also suggested there will be no trade unless Pennington gets hurt in pre-season. Interesting that you would put that out there since Chad did in fact go down in 1 pre-season, tore his shoulder in the middle of 1 season and at the begining of 1 season and showed signs of haveing at best a tired arm for chunks of last season but the idea of trading for a veteran with talent who can sit and watch and maybe take over if or when Chad goes down is trolling.

Why don't you at least be honest and recognize that like most people who try and nulify an opinion by calling others who don't agree with them trolls, you are really saying their stupid. That's at least honest. For the most part, with rare exceptions, I feel that way about those that don't agree with my opinion.

 

haha nice, class is in session.

 

I didnt realize we were talking about trading for a QB and having him sit. I thought this was about trading Chad for Carr.

There is a big difference between trolling and stupidity. Trolling is posting ideas for the sole purpose of getting a negative reaction. Supidity has more to do with the intelect of the post. I never said the poster was stupid. I do however believe that posting "trade Chad for David Carr" threads in this forum will no doubt result in negative responses and the poster knows that.

= Trolling.

If you are talking about simply aquiring David Carr for a second string position while Chad starts then that is entirely different. I would even be behind something like that. But trading Chad for Carr is simply not in the cards.

 

I have yet to see a thread on here that didn't elicit negative responses. That is the expectation you have when posting ideas or opinions, with the only exception I can think of being the "hot women" threads going in the BS forum. :lol:

An idea to pick up a QB that can be used as a veteran backup is not trolling. The idea of picking up a QB that can help us in the next year (or 2) is not trolling. It is simply an idea. Might not be a great one, but it beats the hundreds of other dead horses already beaten on other topics.

 

I say trade for Carr and if he beats out Chad in Camp then let him start. We know what chad can do with Superbowl caliber team like the one that he self destructed with in Oakland a few years ago in the playoffs. Lets see what Carr can do if he gets an offensive line and a good coach behind him. Maybe
Scott can reinstate the Fly and the Post in his playbook. If Chad beats him then fine but Pennington needs to know he is on a short leash to push him to perform to this fictitious greatness most of the board has him at.

 

Beware for a IS counter attack

 

Our rookie coaching staff was a hindrance? Brad Smith, Eric Smith, Leon, D'Brick, and Mangold...the dreaded rookies were holding Chad back?

Spare us the Chad fellatio. I realize Chad had alot to do with us getting there, but he is not god dude.

Lets see...his arm...his health...the giant paycheck....

Put Super Bowl talent around Dilfer or any QB that can manage a game well, and you can go to the SB. It's SUPER BOWL TALENT, what would you expect?

And people...how is the original post "trolling?" It was a random idea on a slow day that generated discussion on an internet forum in which DISCUSSION IS ALL WE CAN DO.

Thank you for this thread dude. It got people debating instead of agreeing with each other...especially about the Almighty Thomas Jones.

 

So "Brad Smith, Eric Smith, Leon, D'Brick, and Mangold...the dreaded rookies" came into the NFL and were seemless right? They wont be geting any better than their rookie years? No room for improvements? They wont be A LOT better this time around? Rookies are rookies DUDE. They have, and always will make rookie mistakes in their rookie years. As did both Mangini and Schotty. And YES Chad had to work with that, yet still played very well and had a large hand in gettinng the team to the playoffs.

You three are noted Chad haters. It is like pissing in the wind with you guys. I give Chad props for overcoming pretty massive odds last year regarding the state of the team, and his surgeries. Lets just leave it at that. You guys can continue to throw out hypothetical situations which are simply not going to occure. I will stand behind the comeback player of the year.

 

Wow calling people CP haters is really unfair. You may find this very, very difficult to comprehend but there are many on this board who feel CP abilities are very limited & easily defenseable & that CP will never/ever get us the VL trophy & since that is why the regular season is played for right? That is not HATE all it is that it is a difference in opinion & fans who want CP out sees as best for the NYJs

 

Ah, so Chad came back from two shoulder surgeries flawless?

Lol, and considering they were rookies they were amazing. Again...Chad was flawless?

But luckily he came back and singlehandedly saved the Jets from those stupid, bumbling rookies like Mangini, Schotty, Mangold, and so on...

If being a "Chad hater" means that I think he can be upgrade, and I don't think he's God then yes...I am a Chad hater.

Hahah, you gave him TOTAL CREDIT for the Jets playoff run...you diss the rookies that outplayed him (Mangold, Mangini, Schott) to give him all said credit....and you expect people who don't see it that way to not give you crap for that terrible logic? You're not some victim making completely logical arguments that EVERYONE should see is obvious dude.

 

Again, you make it up as you go along. Show me where I called the rookies bumbling. I called them ROOKIES. Which they were. They did a great job for us coming in and starting. And the coaching staff has done a superb job for first year coaches. BUT they did make some pretty rookie mistakes, and obviously Chad made his mistakes too. D'Brick has a lot to learn still too. And I know they will be that much better this coming year ALL OF THEM with a full year behind them. But you give absolutely no credit to Chad for doing as well as he did WITH ROOKIES and NO RUNNING GAME. At least I acknowledge your point of view.

I am done with this thread. Good luck with your trading for Carr thing. It wont happen. By the way, I would LOVE Carr as a second string QB. And if he did beat Chad out in camp, well then so be it. But I don't think he would beat Chad given the chance. But if he did......I would be behind Mangini's decision to play Carr. As I am behind the decision to play the best players on the team as Mangini sees them.

Cya.

 

bs, throwing rookie in front of shit doesnt make them bad. we all know mangini is a good coach, same with schotty. and we also know that mangold and brick are good pass protectors. we also know most of the hard work was done after the catch by both Coles and Cotchery.

now for carr, we also know. the o-line has been a joke since day 1. andre johnson.......1 target cant get it done.


carr definitely has talent to deny that is downright stupid.

 

It's exaggeration to show you how lame your point is in the end. Our rookies upgraded our team immensely.

At least acknowledge my point of view? TF are you talking about? You can't tell me what my point of view is according to you, and then challenge me to admit you're right.

You're giving Chad way too much credit. Simple as that.

Yea...thats not my point. The point of my posts is to debunk this stupid "Chad is God" crap people seem to preach here, and maybe offer a little better evidence (say video or something) of why Carr is "crap."

REALLY dude? I would LOVE Brett Farve as my backup.

Carr's a starter for a crappy franchise on a crappy team behind a crappy O-line with exactly one other guy who can make plays after him. Thats why I think theres hope for him to be something.

Yea, especially with our n00b coaching staff, O-line, and team in general. Only Chad can overcome such odds and LEAD THESE GOSH DANG NOOBS TO A SUPER BOWL...er...a first round exit in the playoffs, whatever.

 

now your getting it


go easy their tough guy, your going to bust an o ring.