I think you are the only one who posted the idea of trading Chad for Carr in this entire thread. hmy:
ok...this is not happening and will not come close to happening...so lets just let this thread die...chad is our qb for now, and clemens is the qb for the future....sooooo why are we talking about this
The only reason this thread is going on as long as it's been is because so many people feel the need to overrate Jets players, ESPECIALLY Chad. The only good players on other teams are players with rings, good attitudes, or are considered stars by everyone. There is no hope for anyone else.
chad overrated if anything chad is underrated and is under appreciated by a lot of the fans. Injuries happen and most people in his shoes would have been done with their career, but to tear his rotator cuff 2 times on his throwing arm and still come back and have a pretty damn good season shows what kind of player and leader we have on this team. He played the whole season was named comeback player of the year and now has the whole off season to strengthen his arm...Until he calls it quits or kellen steps in i dont see him going anywhere.
Thing is to me...Chad's season wasn't all that great after the first month or so of the season (if that). He was pretty damn inconsistent. And NFL awards are just as meaningless to me as MLB awards. It's a great title to have...Comeback Player of the Year...but I don't see why it should change everything about how we should view Chad.
I have supported Chad since his first start in 2002 but even to me it was obvious that we have been handcuffing the gameplan because of his lack of arm strength. I understood the reason the kept him in the starting role last season, and it's a point you are sort of touching on and also completely missing. They kept him in there for his strong leadership abilities, his poise and his experience. Not because he bounced back strongly from surgery. That said, giving rookies a strong leadership presence is one thing, overrating his performance is quite another. You can only watch him overthrow short routes enough times before you either realize that he isn't getting the job done when we need it, or you spiral into denial in the guise of debate. Near the end of the season he wasn't even hitting the timing routes that were getting us many of the first downs that helped us to early season wins in 06. His pocket presence began to deteriorate because teams knew what he was capable of and collapsed the pocket quickly because of it. From what I saw, by the end of the season, it was the rookies that were getting the job done while Chad was becoming less effective.
Most People in his shoes would have rehabbed and tried to come back for a chance at another big payday. The reality of the situation is nobody else but the Jets would have given him a chace. 16 T/D and 16 Int's is not a pretty good season. If that is good then what is your idea of bad? His arm is as strong as it is going to get. It wasn't strong before he hurt it.
The Jets are looking for a qualified #3 Vet QB right? Then why not Carr? Would you rather someone with absolutely Zero upside like we just got rid of? I still think Carr can make it in this league but all he needs, just like Jake Plummer, is a change of scenery.
It would be great if the Jets could acquire Carr cheaply enough to have him be #3 for a season. I don't think that's in the cards though. When Houston puts him on the market, and the indications are that he's already being quietly shopped, they'll draw enough interest in him that the price is going to be in the 2nd round range. The teams that are probably going to be in the market include Miami (Carr could well be the QB they have been looking for for a decade), Philadelphia (excellent insurance against another McNabb injury and also some leverage with him), Detroit (if they choose to go with Joe Thomas on the 2), New England (Matt Cassel is not who you want to hand a team prepped for a Super Bowl run too if Brady goes down) and Chicago (in a heartbeat.) Most of those teams would drop out at a 2nd round pick asking price but somebody would pay it. For all the questions about Carr there is no doubt that he has performed at a reasonable level given the talent around him. High first round picks that don't wash out retain a lot of value into their prime seasons.
You missed the team that (I think) basically announced they would go after Carr hard, the Chiefs. He'd be perfect in their system (most QBs would), but they also have a very good line...would be a nice change for him. Oh, and the crap on Grossman is the most overrated subject in the media (besides the crap on ARod). His first full after two injury plagued ones and he does enough to have 7 100+ QB rating games, be decent in a couple, and tanked in 7 (when he was bad he was BAD). He's got the potential, and really the only reason his "horrible QBing" was a big deal was because he was going into the Super Bowl against the media's favorite player, Peyton Manning. He was the easy guy to target, on the team the media clearly wanted to win. Personally, I think he's got a pretty decent future.
I had KC in the mix originally and I took them out. Carr is not Herm's kind of QB. He likes managers not drivers. That's why he loved Chad through thick and thin and why he brought Fiedler in for the ill-fated 2005 season. Carr would be an enigma to him in the same way that Vinny always was, although a much younger and less predictable one. I think Herm is going to make a pitch to the Jets for Chad if he sees even the smallest sign that he might be available. I think he's going to look very hard at Damon Huard, given that he liked what he saw last season when Green went down. With Brodie Croyle waiting in the wings in a season or two I expect Herm to make a 2 year choice on somebody and then hand the ball to Croyle when he's ready. He'd take Chad just so Croyle had an example of a good game manager to watch while he developed.
FYP. I saw the reply than who made it. I was wondering where the punchline was. Chad is a good leader and brings many intangibles to the plate. However his tangibles, which most incomplete teams require out of a QB to become better are not very good. He can not make many throws required of an NFL QB, nor can he take the game on his shoulders and win it. That is ok on a stacked team that still has the ability to win it all. Hopefully Mangini and Tannenbaum can stack the team in time or they get a QB in here that will make the Jets an elite team. I like Chad, however I feel that he is not a QB that would make a good team elite. I think he is a QB that can get an elite team into the SB. That being said presently the Jets are not close to being an elite team.
Good Post. Do you think he will be around when the Jets are an elite Team? If not than does it make sense to leave him in there now or let Clemens get a shot or trade for Carr and let them fight it out. The jets are good at best next year and if he can't get them to the promised land then the Chad era should come to an end. I think the ultimate goal should be the SB and if Chad can't raise his game to make a good team better then it is time to go.
Food for thought: John Elway after 5 years G CP Att Pct Yds YPA TD INT C YD TD 1983 11 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 7 14 28 146 1 1984 15 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 18 15 56 237 1 1985 16 327 605 54.0 3891 6.4 22 23 51 253 0 1986 16 280 504 55.6 3485 6.9 19 13 52 257 1 Totals 58 944 1748 53.8 11637 6.7 66 65 187 893 3 Consensus in Denver at that point? An excellent prospect being carried by a great team. Here's year 5 which is when Elway upticked in a big way despite an injury: G Cp Att Pct Yds YPA TD INT C Yds TD 1987 12 224 410 54.6 3198 7.8 19 12 66 304 4 After that season the folks in Denver knew Elway would win a SUper Bowl for them at some point because his production finally began to match his potential as a #1 pick QB. David Carr's first 4 seasons coming onto a terrible team: 2002 16 233 444 52.5 2592 5.8 9 15 59 282 3 2003 12 167 295 56.6 2013 6.8 9 13 27 151 2 2004 16 285 466 61.2 3531 7.6 16 14 73 299 0 2005 16 256 423 60.5 2488 5.9 14 11 56 308 1 Totals 60 941 1628 57.8 10624 6.5 48 53 215 1040 6 So through his first 4 seasons with much less support than John Elway he put up similar numbers and ran for his life very effectively. Now the 5th season is the kicker, because he did step up to the plate and improve his game. However the inept Texans management (Mario Williams over Reggie Bush or a profitable tradedown?) had still not put anywhere near enough talent on the roster to make it matter. G Cp Att Pct Yds YPA TD Int C Yds TD 2006 16 302 442 68.3 2767 6.3 11 12 54 193 2 So an inept Texans management team has decided to remake their failures to develope adequate talent into David Carr's failures as a QB. What the heck is it about Texas that makes people so arrogant that they think they can screw up over and over and put the blame elsewhere? Anyway that's a topic for a different thread. David Carr is going to be not just a good NFL QB but a great one if he lands in the right place. I hope that place is New York on the Jets. The last time a QB of Carr's potential was traded at this point in his career he wound up on the 49ers. His name was Steve Young and he had been languishing on the roster of a perenially bad team without a clue, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. God help us if Carr winds up in New England.
That post was blasphemous. Carr sucks, he's the sole reason the Texans have sucked, and thats that. Think logically dude. The QB gets all the credit, win or lose. The Texans LOSE with Carr, so it's his fault. Well, at least your last sentence is highly unlikely to come true.
If Carr goes on the open market New England might well be one of the big suitors. They know how dependent they are on Brady right now and how crippling it would be for them if he got hurt. The 49ers didn't acquire Young because Montana was getting old, they acquired him because if Montana got hurt (which he did several season later) they knew it would cripple their shot at a Super Bowl run. The Young trade was one of the best in league history, as it extended a dynasty for nearly 6 seasons and was instrumental in 2 further Super Bowl wins.
