Can someone please...PLEASE!...point me to one post on this board that calls Idzik a genius? If you want to take the extreme anti-Idzik view that's fine, but when you have to completely exaggerate the opposing opinion in order to prop up your own opinion it just makes you look silly.
All I know is I rather spend all our money at once and take a shot at the Lombardi trophy even if its only a two year run,I don't care how we get there I just want us to get there.I don't care if its thru the draft or splurging in free agency whatevers gonna get us there.Rex is a great coach and if Idzik just woulda got him the talent he needs we woulda been legit this year.I think the best we can be this year is 9-7 is that really an upgrade from last season?
Not propping up my opinion. It's No exaggeration that most people (on this board) believe there is some master plan. While I'm not sure if anyone used the word genius. That's a reference I'm making, so if that offends ypu. I'm not sure what to say.... Genius plan to me is when most people outside this board are dumbfounded by all the nothing he's done, so alternatively he must be a genius and hes soon to prove the football world wrong once his master plan kicks in. I look fwd to all are impact players he's going to find at the draft I'm equally excited by all the players he can sign for the vet minimum. Sure to be an awesome year.
And then what? The problem with this fan base, and rightfully so, is that everyone is impatient because we don't remember what it tastes like to win a super bowl. We tried the quick approach and we fell short two times in a row. Look where it got us now. Idzik is building a team through that draft that will have success year in and year out. We want to be a Seattle, a San Francisco, a Denver, a New England. A team that gets there year after year. I don't want to just win it once and then suck again for years. I want to win it over and over and get there over and over. The only way to do that is through young talent found in the draft. You can't do that signing big names in free agency. It just doesn't happen. Patience is key here. I know it's tough for all of us but this is the right approach. It seems we finally have a competent GM who is truly looking for long term success. We need to have patience as hard as that is.
So one week into FA and we can already say "if Idzik just woulda got him the talent he needs..."? Is the offseason over and I just didn't realize it?
Exactly. Nobody has called him a genius. Please re-read what you wrote. It's not really coherent at all. It sounds to me like someone trying to wriggle out of a wholly inaccurate statement by trying to deflect attention with a bunch of bullshit. Sorry, didn't work.
Seatlle,Denver,Patriots ?we are never gonna be Denver or NE we barely have a QB yet two hall of famers,And Russel Wilson is light years better then Geno smith.So basically it won't matter what we do if Geno shits the bed.Denver didnt build threw the draft they signed Peyton Manning in free agency ,the only team that did was Seatlle and they got really lucky on a lot of draft picks witch doesn't happen a lot that late in rounds
I can't fuckin argue with you anymore. It is getting so frustrating arguing with someone who has one mindset and looks no other way. Continue on.
You know, this is a great post. I've been getting increasingly frustrated with the garbage being spewed on this site. I understand why the talking heads on TV and in the press spew it, but on this board we usually have a solid core of rational thinkers. Lately, they just seem to have been overwhelmed by a wave a hysterical rants. Every time one of them tries to explain calmly what is going on, they get shouted down, accused of 'drinking the green Kool Aid', or being homers. I can remember very clearly free-agent splurges of the past, and trades to bring in talent. The 1996 season, 1-13 after a huge splurge in free-agency that convinced the media the Jets were going to turn the corner. From 2009-2010 we traded for three big-time players, Braylon Edwards, Antonio Cromartie and Santonio Holmes - 2014 rolls around and all three are gone and we have holes at wide receiver and cornerback. I just don't see how much clearer it could be, but that's probably because I'm a homer...
There was another post in a thread that showed how the Seattle SB team was built. I think there was one FA on the entire defense, and I think 3 on teh entire starting offense. The vast majority of starters were drafted, and in later rounds at that. Idzik is following the same mantra here. Through the draft and some strategic hires we went 8-8 last year with no cap room. I expect (hope) that continuing down the same path with have beneficial results. Also remember, there is something to be said for continuity and the 'Devil you know'. If Idzik's plan is to fire Rex, he will have to bring in a new HC, who will want his own DC and maybe OC and coaching staff. That takes time to implement, with no guarantee of success. If he fires Rex after this year and the team goes 5-11 or 6-10 for a couple years while the new regime takes hold, that will be four years of mediocrity with Idzik's draft picks and signings on the roster, or enough ammo to say bringing in Idzik was the wrong move and it would be his ass on the line. I honestly think that Rex showed Idzik last year that he is a great motivator and 'decent' HC that is still learning and has upside. The motivator factor is something that can't be taught - Rex just has it, and that is the added value that Rex brings to the table that probably was the difference between 5-11 and 8-8 last year. Idzik is not someone to fire just for the sake of firing - unless he has a plan in place (meaning potential replacement that would be better), he is going to keep Rex around.
what talent is there available that you feel we have missed out on and that would have turned the Jets into a legitimate title contender?
Title contender? Who cares? How about playoff contender and I am sure you can figure that out yourself.
It's amazing how many people seem to think the Jets are sending the same team out there next year that we did last year with a few face changes. This before free agency is done and without taking into account the draft. As of this moment: Minus Cro - had a bad year last year and is 30. Minus Holmes - was hurt most of the year, was a bad fit in the locker room and under-achieved. Minus Winslow - not going to get into that but not going to be missed. Minus Howard - average player paid like a star by the Raiders. Did I miss any outgoing players there? That's 4 guys all of them leaving for at least one good reason. Plus Decker - a good team player who was a #1 in college and held up his end at Denver whether the QB was Tebow or Manning. Plus Giacomini - average player paid like an above average player by the Jets. Before free agency started the Jets locked up Leger Douzable, Ellis Lankster and Darrin Walls, not letting them get on the market for possible suitors to set an unrealistic market. They signed Johnny Patrick, a well-regarded second-tier prospect and a 3rd round pick three years ago, to add to the mix at CB. They had David Nelson already locked up for 2014 because they signed him off the street mid-season to a 2 year deal instead of just bringing him in to kick the tires for a year. They filled the hole at RG for the second straight year with Willie Colon, a guy from the Bronx who has roots in the area and loves playing for the Jets, who isn't going to make you but clearly isn't going to break you. They have up to 12 picks in the draft thanks to a bunch of free agents let go last year from a 6-10 team that then turned around and went 8-8 without them. They still have 4 months before training camp to pick and choose in the second-tier free agent market and they're one of the few teams with enough cap space left to make a move if the right player pops loose during the secondary cutdowns that always happen between the draft and June 1st. Even if the cap space is just sitting there on August 1st the Jets have many options that improve the picture going forward. They don't just have to sit on it. They could restructure D'Brick and Mangold to move money forward for a change, freeing up cap space in future years and getting the Jets closer to the 89% spend for the year. They could sign Mo Wilk to an extension that has a large roster bonus, putting a big chunk of the cap hit into 2014 and making his cap numbers moving forward easy to manage. They could sign Jeremy Kerley to a deal that puts more of his money up front and allows the Jets the luxury of not watching him go to free agency next year and let the Raiders or some other team looking to make a splash to set the market for him. They don't have to just rollover the extra cap space. There are options for making it work to the Jets advantage if it comes to that. One way that you can afford to keep Mo Wilk and Coples and Richardson is by sequentially paying them off with large single year hits while the roster is still fairly cheap. Then you have all 3 locked up down the road with contracts and cap hits that work well side by side instead of 3 big hits each year that always put the roster under cap pressure. There are lots of different way to skin this cat. People who want to be miserable about the Jets chances this year and moving forward are of course free to do so. Enjoy your misery, that's what you follow the Jets to get, right?
How is he going about this poorly? because he's not signing players YOU want? Why does everyone care what analysts think, they are wrong 90% of the time anyway. Give me a break.
It's my opinion he is.. There no particular player I wanted, I feel he should have addressed some team needs in the past 2 weeks. But I guess I should get on board and pray we have a phenomenal draft and find multiple impact rookies this year. I think that's a shitty plan, don't worry I'm well aware that listening to former coaches, players and gms is silly. Who cares about there opinions. I can just come here and get the real scoop from experts... I don't know, I think ill stick to my opinion he's done a poor job thus far.
I will stick to my opinion that he's done a decent job. Not the best, but not the worst. I would like to wait until after the draft.
