I am curious to know what he thinks of the Pats "blue chip defensive players" Can he name one? Obviously they did a damn good job with no blue chips. He is firing mostly for effect but does have a few, and I mean few good points
Like everyone outside of the Jets/NFL, Lombardi knows nothing about the Jets cap situation. Guys a fuckin douche.
The point about how Keller is limited in the running game and how that signals opponents as to what the Jets are going to do on run v. pass was the same point I have been making. So obviously I agree with that one. I also do not consider David Harris as highly as some here. On the other hand i would rate Pouha higher than Lombardi apparenty rates him.
It's more than doom and gloom, we're one of the most hated teams in this league and people will shit on us any chance they get. It's just the way things are. And as you said, in the bolded, our run game was horrible, how run block was pretty bad, we had this guy on our O-line: [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZ-RaAsU0U[/YOUTUBE] Our receivers couldn't get separation. Yet we still won 8 games. If we improved, even marginally a lot of those issues, we're a contender. It's just that we get over looked. I understand we're in cap trouble, but that doesn't mean we can't upgrade or improve our team, either.
Yup, you always get that with teams with high hopes that fail. I am actually surprised there is not much being said about Philly. This team will be fine. I am confident that when all is said and done, in a year, the Jets will either be playing in the SB, or would have just missed making the SB because of Sanchez. Either way, this team is apparently going to "surprise" a lot of people next year..
A lot of people have been saying the same stuff. Why not bring Ducasse to block as the TE? Well, then you telegraph you are running. Of course, the real problem, actually the same problem, is on the other side of the ball. When Scott or Harris are in, the Jets telegraph run D and then defenses go hurry up to freeze the personnel on the field and light the D up with over the middle passes to TEs.
I agree with your point here. I think the cap will present some issues, but my understanding of it is such that it should not prevent the Jets from making key moves to improve the team. Enough key moves? Well, that depends on what is done, heh, but the right ones are doable. Which Ftr I think will include letting a few people go and then bringing in at least one safety, a new OLB, resign Pouha, change out Burress for possibly Edwards, a new RT, bring back Turner for OL depth, and hopefully a vet but younger Qb to replace Brunell. Jets might be stuck with some issues, though, including no upgrade at RB, reliance on Kerley as the #3 wideout, an aging Moore, a question mark based on Ferguson's off year, Slauson as mediocre to average, Keller's for shit blocking at TE, the fact that Scott and Pace might both have to be replaced going into 13, and that the Jets really need two new safeties, not just one. But imo the moves made in the paragraph before the preceding one should be enough to get them into the playoffs, IF Sanchez improves.
By doom and gloom, I mean the fans. But yes, there is an anti-Jets bias in the media that resembles the bias the media exhibits against a certain political party. The media is just shit no matter how you slice it. But with that aside, yeah, I agree. It wont take much to improve the offense since it was so bad. If you have even a bad qb like Sanchez throw 3/4 long passes a game just to keep the defense honest, they wont stack the line, and the running game will improve. It really is pretty basic stuff. Idiots like Schotty just over-complicate things so much that they fuck everything up.
I'm sure he'd say they have 3. Mayo, Wilfork and Carter. Too bad they contribute to a defense ranked near the bottom of the league.
I think Lombardi's comments were a lot closer to the truth than not, though I can understand how Jet fans would balk at the conclusions. I think the ultimate blame falls equally of both Tanny and Rex. Tanny for painting the Jets into a cap corner that severely limits the Jets opportunities to improve their team. Tanny for all those guaranteed contract that makes moving malcontent players almost impossible. And Tanny for his recent drafts, 9 of 13 picks on QBs WRs, and RBs? What's up with that, and what do you have to show for it. 1 Average QB, 1 Average RB and 1 average WR prospect. Tanny should be given some credit for the Jets having 4 years of very competitive teams, but the "win it now" window is closing, and you didn't win it. Rex is another guy who deserves BOTH praise and damnation. His personality alone made the Jets relevant both nationally and, more importantly, in the NYC market. His defensive schemes allowed the Jets to thrive for the majority off the the last 3 years. HOWEVER - His actions of the last few weeks prove he's not truly a NFL HC, but more a DC posing as a NFL HC. He has been exposed as a guy who has lied to the media and his players. A guy who has lost his locker room. Worse, he didn't even know he HAD lost his locker room. Nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted anymore. Before the Jets image was brash and loud. Now its just embarrassment. Plus people are starting to catch up with Rex's schemes it should be noted that every year the defense gets worse. Just note that the Pats put up 30, and 37 on the Jets this year, and aside from the CBs, the defense is aging and ordinary. BOTTOM LINE: Lombardi is most likely correct in his assessment. Given the cap and contract situations, the Jets will NOT have the same advantages that the rest of the division will have. Any improvement for the Jets will have to come from their draft picks and/or minimum wage FAs.
So much of that is lost on people. It's like if they get that one tackle on Tebow then they're in the playoffs and the season doesn't look like the disaster everyone is making it out to be.
Lombardi was talking about the Jets' cap situation in terms of guaranteed contracts. Players' guaranteed money is pro-rated over the life of the contract for cap calculation purposes, but if a player with a fat guaranteed contract is cut, all the guaranteed money not yet paid counts against the cap in the year he's cut. I believe it was somebody on this MB who calculated that Holmes would cost the Jets $9 million (I think) in 2012 if he was cut and $12 million if he played. It's that $9 million in dead cap $$$ (money for a player no longer on the roster) that Lombardi's talking about.
I don't think that is real the issue. The issue is, is it going to get better, or is it going to get worse? What Lombardi is saying is that, for a lot of reasons, its going to be hard for it to be better. Because of the cap and contracts, the locker room is going to have the same players who tore it apart last season. Because of the cap and contracts, the FA options will be limited (its just a joke that the Jets will be in the Manning chase). Finally Rex's leadership limitations have been exposed. How are the players going to believe anything he says. Plenty of lip service, very little substance
Mayo and Carter are not blue chip players. And when is a 15th ranked defense considered the "bottom of the league"? Where would you catagorize the Jets 20th ranked defense? http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/t...alPointsPerGame/position/defense/seasontype/2
The 37 came from a pick 6, and a Sanchez INT that gave the pats nice starting field position. I would argue also that the Pats got better on offense this year, more than the Jets fell backwards on defense. You are right that the defense gets worse every year, they were 1st in 2009, 3rd in 2010, 5th in 2011. 5th is hardly ordinary though.
Considering that it's measured in yards by default, how many columns did you have to click to find one where the Jets were ranked poorly? http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/seasontype/2
The issue on the bolded part is one of emphasis. I think most if not all Jet fans here recognize that such facts as the nature of Holmes's contract presents a limitation of sorts on the Jets' ability to make moves. So? Most multi-year contracts for all teams present some kind of limitation. But the Jets are not so limited as to be unable to make sufficient moves. That doom and gloom does not accord with what I understand from analyses of the cap situation.
Rex wasn't using the same attacking philosophy he used in previous years, there was far more zone than man coverage and far more read and react.
Because he's a very good player not a great one. Add to that the fact that he's reserved off the field and does not endlessly self promote and you get a somewhat under-rated player. The Pro Bowl is like a beauty contest. Lots of hot-looking players in contention and the prize is often a matter of taste instead of pure merit. If the Jets found a strong pass rushing ROLB I think Harris value would suddenly skyrocket and he'd become a Pro Bowl contender every season. The Jets defense would be top 10 every year in that scenario and it's hard to ignore the quietly productive guys when the defense is a legitimate powerhouse. Right now the Jets are a defense built on schemes. They need to add some talent to that up front to make the next step. I think that's what Lombardi is saying. BTW, I don't think anybody much disputes that if Rex Ryan went away for any reason the Jets defense would crash to the middle of the NFL or lower. That's where they were when he got here and the Jets haven't added anything of real value on the field since that point. If anything they are weaker in terms of personnel on the defensive side than they were when Rex arrived. This despite investing heavily in the draft on that side of the field.
The question wasn't what blue chip players the Pats front 7 has, it was what blue chip players would Lombardi say the Pats have. Overall team defense. But you knew what I meant. But I can play along. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/t...netYardsPerGame/position/defense/seasontype/2 http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/t...rds/position/defense/seasontype/2/order/false http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/t...ingYardsPerGame/position/defense/seasontype/2 http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/rushingYards/position/defense/seasontype/2 http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/t...ingYardsPerGame/position/defense/seasontype/2 Contrary to 'popular' belief, yardage allowed plays a factor in situational football.
