Chris Johnson is also a threat to break one at any time but so far he's generally been ineffective in this offense. Not sure if it's the player or everything else added up including coaching. I was even thinking before Harvin that we should use Johnson as well as a slot receiver because of his speed, but that's not going to happen.
That isn't exactly true. Harvin did a lot of work on the outside when he was a Viking. He was fairly dominate from all the research I've been doing on him lately.
CJ2k hasn't been used that well. They have him run up the gut when he should be used more on screen passes.
Can we please just hear WILKERSON has signed a life time contract with the jets. Someone mentioned homegrown talent this guy needs to get paid
Good to have J-Kerl in the mix for the future. He's a good player and adds to our revamped receiving core.
Did you watch him when he was with the Vikings? Did you see how differently Seattle used him in comparison? What you read doesn't matter if he was being underutilized, which he was. If you watch film of him when he was with the Vikings, he lined up on the outside. He was very effective in that role as well. I fully expect that MM is going to use him on the outside, opposite of Decker. Kerley will remain in the slot. Instant upgrade.. There is no reason to leave one of those guys on the bench, nobody else will come in on the outside and contribute the way Harvin will.
I really think they should move him all over the field. Don't be locked in to just the slot or outside the numbers. Get him in motion. Line up in the backfield. Outside th numbers. The more places you line him up the more effective he will be. I just hope MM doesn't utilize him like Seattle did on only bubble screens
Get paid Kerley. Don't mind the signing. I think he will prove serviceable with this rather nice extension.
So.. You can tell you don't do a lot of research. I'm amazed. Harvin was extremely underutilized in Seattle. They did not play to his strengths and treated him like a gimmick player. He is much, much more than that. It baffles me that they did what they did with him but someone pointed out to me how simple Seattles offense is. They really dumb down that offense, it's scary how simple they make it. Complexity doesn't fit into that offense, which hinders the effectiveness of someone like Harvin. He will play a whole different role here with the Jets. I can't see him having that gimmick type role here with the Jets, I think MM is smart enough to utilize him much like the Vikings did when he had so much success.
I have a strong feeling that MM is much smarter than that. I think he gets a bad rap, unfairly. I think that he is going to use Harvin in a lot of different ways, including bubble screens and Jet sweeps. I don't think that will be his ultimate limitations though like it was in Seattle. He is a deep threat, he has a lot of talent to hurt defenses deep and open up lanes underneath because of it. MM knows that and he runs a much more complex offense than Seattle does. Which makes it easier to utilize Harvin more within this offense. I'm excited.
Kerley is a converted running QB. He can be used on off tackle plays just like Harvin. His ability to run out of the back field as well as pass is why he was commonly used in the Wildcat in the past. Neither have enough the size to withstand heavy doses of running plays but both are capable and experienced at it. There's really not a play that you can with Harvin that you can not run with Kerley. Even Kerley has caught the occasional deep pass but like Harvin that's not playing to his strength. All you are telling me is Harvin is the more explosive player something I acknowledge from the start.
What "research" was there to do on him in SEA? He only played like 5-6 games with them. When I speak about Harvin's, I speak about his days in MIN. There in MIN he was used all over the field mostly on quit hitting plays where he has the ball in his hands and in space. If you want to do some research, check out the article I posted detailing his game immediately following the trade to SEA.
I didn't say he won't be effective, or wouldn't be an upgrade because he is. What I did say is that he is most effective out of the slot, which he is, as is Kerley. So now you have two players both signed long term to reasonable money who are both most effective out of the slot, that contradicts its self and isn't the best way to use your resources. I think that 4 million could have been spent on a guy who is more effective on the outside, in turn allowing everyone to play in there most effective spot.
We have no guaranteed ties to harvin after this year if I'm not mistaken. He can be cut with no financial losses except the money we owe him this year for the games he plays w us.
Thats irrelevant because this trade was made for the long term success of the team and if it wasn't then this was a horrible trade on so many levels. So we trade for a gamebreaker who is most effective and has spent 70% of his snaps as a pro out of the slot, and then in the same week we commit $16 million for four years to a guy who has also spent most of his career and is most effective out of the slot. That contradicts itself and isn't the best way to use your resources which we only have so much of. Kerley should have been let go, and our resources should have been spent on a guy that allows for Harvin to play in slot, maximizing his potential, and who is a better option on the outside maximizing the WR cores potential.
i don't think its as simple as inside and outside, If broken down by the basic WR categories of XY and Z, Decker is our split-end(X), Harvin our flanker (Z), and kerley our slot man (Y). This could change from play to play as well, but thats an easy way of playing all of the teams top receivers at once. there will be more than enough opportunities for both JK and PH to be on the field at the same time, just because their short and are thought of as "slot" recovers that doesn't mean theres one spot for them to play and thats it. I think we're letting stigmas and preconceptions drive our thinking. we're thinking that we need two trees to play out wide, and are only allowed one shrub in the slot, but something tells me thats not reality. I'm gonna need to look more into this...
Like everyone on the O plus the coaching he was a lot better against NEP than in the other games. I just don't think he has the elite running skills anymore but I think he could have more of a value catching swing passes. I doubt he'll be back next season.
Anybody can be used as anything. We've used Jumbo Elliott to catch passes and Sheldon Richardson to play FB. The point is Vikings and Seahawks have regularly used Harvin out of the backfield with great success (remember the Superbowl?), and you are comparing that to Kerley taking a few snaps out of Wildcat during an entire season? What would be the point of even using Kerley for that, when both Ivory and CJ are faster than him, other than some gimmicky trick play? The reason it works with Harvin is because of his blazing speed and acceleration. I agree that throwing deep passes to Kerley is not playing to his strengths, considering that he is slow and short, but how is it not playing to Harvin's strengths? His strengths are speed, good hands, and playing in space. He's not tall, but when you have that kind of speed and can run away from defenders, you don't have to be, since they won't be close enough to you to make a play. You linked an article to CBS Sports earlier which stated that he isn't a deep threat, and you've taken that as your gospel. Ok, well what about this then? http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...sed_frustration_so_how_will_jets_use_him.html This article suggests that the Jets will probably use him a lot more on the outside, and a mentions a few other interesting tidbits: - Harvin himself was mostly frustrated in Seattle because they weren't using him downfield enough - direct quote: "I wanted to get downfield just a little bit more than what I was doing." - he later mentions that him being used primarily as a slot receiver was one of the main things that led to his frustration - the article then goes on to mention that when he was in his last year with the Vikings, 40% of his plays were on the outside(almost half the time) and more than half of his catches came on the outside - it then goes on to mention that we are likely to see him on the outside more, especially since we've cut Nelson and now resigned Kerley and that he has proven himself as a big-play threat - Gianconmini who played with him in Seattle says he will probably stretch the field for us - and finally, Rex weighs in with "From a defensive standpoint, clearly this thing, you’re going to think twice about it, because if you have some guys that are explosive on the outside – Decker, Harvin – you’ve got to think twice before you put them all down there (in the box to stop the run) and leave your guys one-on-one outside” So yeah...
The main reason I think he will be cut is because he won't be worth his salary, but I don't he has been god awful so far.
