Mets @ Dodgers, 5/18 to 5/20

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  1. Penning10toColes

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    He has no other choice. This is terrible. I'm so depressed.
     
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    Pagan steals second. So when Ramon gets out now, it'll be with a runner in scoring position as opposed to a runner on first.
     
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    Fun times. This really sucks.
     
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    I cannot fathom how a pinch hitter was not used there.

    Ramon Martinez shouldn't be on the team at all, but he's batting as the last chance? Really?

    He's the #1 goat of this series, IMO. Behind Jerry, of course.
     
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    He had another hitter on the bench, so yes, he did have another choice.
     
  6. Penning10toColes

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    Who would play SS?
     
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    Fun fact:

    BAA for Broxton this season is .077.

    Starting in 2007, Ramon Martinez is 29/157. That's under .185. And yet he's the one batting with the game on the line.

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    It would have to be shuffled around, but that's irrelevant. You first try to tie it, and then worry about defense.

    Murphy at third, Wright at short, Reed at first, Sheffield in left. It doesn't matter.
     
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    Who cares? Who's playing SS now that they lost the game?
     
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    exactly, murphy is an infielder so its possible, you put reed at 1st base, murphy to 2nd, castillo to shortstop and sheffield in the outfield. Its bizarre but its better than putting your money on roman fucking martinez.
     
  11. Penning10toColes

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    Uh, Ramon was due. He has to get a hit sometime?

    That's the best I have. Jerry was stuck between a rock and a hard place, and that defense would have atrocious. I won't kill him for keeping Martinez in.
     
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    The guy can't hit at all. It's asinine to keep a guy in for defense when you're trailing in the 9th. You need to give yourself the best chance possible to tie the game or take the lead.

    The only way it would've been a defensible decision would be if the guy at the plate was comparable to what's on the bench. If Martinez was a decent hitter, I wouldn't bash Jerry for leaving him in. In reality, he's not much different than a pitcher at this point, only he can't come out of the bullpen.
     
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    Hes due???? HAHA! This guy played like 3 minor league games this season before being called up. If your trying to catch lightning in a bottle ramon martinez isnt my guy, ill pinch hit with sheffield any day of the week in that situation.
     
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    This team doesn't have it at all. Everything looked good on paper before the season started and now the pitching is just as bad as it was last year.

    I was at the two games in S.F. when they won on Friday and Saturday...they were hitting the crap out of the ball.

    Since Sunday night's game, they can't hit worth a shit. This team has some serious issues. They should be beating the top teams of this league and they are not doing it. Just pathetic with all the errors and LOB innings. Five times this week, they had runners on third with either one out or none and they can't score. This team has NO leaders. With Delgado gone, we are going down fast like the Titanic.

    Manuel is becoming another Randolph by not playing players that can give the best performance. Minaya should be held responsible for bringing in players that he likes, not players that can play.
     
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    I hate Manuel(Shocking I know, but hear me out). But Omar is much more responsible for the sorry state of the team. They have a 150m-odd payroll and look at the neverending line of scrubs this team trots out there. Jerry doesn't do the team any favors with his idiotic decision making and all the little league errors this team makes certainly doesn't reflect well on the manager. The bottom line though is that a majority of these players flat out suck, and that's on the GM.

    Also, lets not degenerate into the media hyped "lack of leaders" crap. Bad players fail because they're bad, it doesn't need to be analyzed any deeper than that.
     
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    no, it didn't look good on paper at all. this is the same shitty offense that couldn't hit with RISP last year. how did that look good?

    I can understand the media overlooking that all last season because of the inept bullpen, it was the easiest story, but how Omar could ignore it, not upgrade the offense one bit and go into the season with essentially the same line-up of players that couldn't drive in runners last season and expect different results is asinine.
     
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    It's not like the team just hasn't been hitting with RISP. Beltran and Wright have both been great. Without Reyes and Delgado in the lineup it really stinks. Church has sucked outside of the first week of the season. Castillo, Murphy and Tatis haven't hit anything in May. Sheffield can't hit righties. The rest of the guys that fill out the lineup on any given night probably shouldn't even be on a major league roster. The team definitely stinks right now but it isn't a "clutch" thing.
     
  18. Penning10toColes

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    I was kidding in that part of the post; I don't really think playing the law of averages that way would be at all be wise.

    Yeah, I mostly blame Omar, although I wonder how much of this can be put on the Wilpons. Did the Madoff thing (or any self-imposed salary cap) impede Minaya's ability to do things he wanted to do? Was he dumb enough to go in to the season with a 4-man rotation and no bench, or did salary constraints handicap him? I mean, he has to have some modicum of logic and ability, right?

    Don't answer that.
     

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