It has a lot to do with never seeing them play. Montana was a great QB, but he played on some great well rounded teams with a load of HOFers around him.
Yup, I totally understand your reasoning, as I also do with those who argue the opposite. It's unlikely we'll see Brady without BB, more likely we'll see BB without Brady. Will be interesting how it plays out when it happens. I tend to feel it was a perfect storm where one coach's system merged with a QB's ability to execute it. Without each other I don't think we'd be talking about either of them. Time will tell. It's clear Manning made Dungy the HOF he is. I think when you take Dungy's whole body of work, including his time as a really good DC, his induction was warranted. But not based solely on his time as HC.
You are forgetting BB's time in Cleveland. I believe he is way better then he showed there but that certainly lends itself to the BB and Br*dy needing each other theory.
I'm thinking the list is: 1. Otto Graham 2. Tom Brady 3. Joe Montana 4. Peyton Manning 5. Sid Luckman 6. Johnny Unitas 7. Brett Favre 8. Dan Marino 9. John Elway 10. Terry Bradshaw You have to count championships as the primary thing. Then if somebody has numbers that are overwhelming you make minor exceptions.
Brady is one of the best players I have ever seen. That wouldn't be close to an easy decision for me.
unless your franchise included Belichick, and a system of cheating, i don't think Br*dy would make it far. drafted by a different organization, especially if that organization was poorly run, i believe he'd have been run out of the league in no time. he's not the type of talent that would succeed anywhere he went.
I don't agree. He's one of the most competitive players I've ever seen. Handles pressure as well as any pocket passer ever. Deadly accurate. Probably the second best pure decision-maker to ever play the position. Those attributes translate into success anywhere. Would he have played in 6 Superbowls without Beli? No chance. But, he would have still been a brilliant, brilliant player.
Montana Marino Manning Unitas Elway Brady Favre Aikman Tarkenton Staubach Can't rate Luckman or Graham--never saw them play and while I agree they may be the best or close to the best, that would be taking someone else's opinion about players from a completely different era. I didn't see Jim Brown live either but I saw enough film of him at Syracuse (where he is a legend) and with the Browns to judge that he was the best football player of all time (and the greatest lacrosse player also). _
love that you included Graham, and even Luckman, but counting championships as the primary thing is poor logic. you look at the individual separate from the team first and foremost, and if team success is overwhelming maybe you make minor exceptions. i give extra respect do guys who have succeeded in multiple places. my list 1. Peyton Manning 2. Johnny Unitas 3. Joe Montana 4. Dan Marino 5. John Elway 6. Brett Favre 7. Otto Graham 8. Sammy Baugh 9. Fran Tarkenton 10. Roger Staubach I'd probably have Br*dy around 10 if it weren't for the cheating. Fouts, Brees and Young are all floating around probably just outside the 10. If Brees has another couple more years like he's been having, he'll crack that list.
The Giants and the Broncos say hi. He's not good under pressure, much great. Marino laughed at pass rushers. _
Marino had a much quicker release (probably the quickest ever) and beat blitzing teams better, but IMO Brady handles rushers once they get to him better. Very good at sidestepping, very good at finding the right guy. Edit: IMO, no pocket-passer plays well when consistently beaten up, but Brady has had some great games in games where he got very little protection. Brady also is similar to Elway in that he was very capable of turning it on after playing below his standards for 3.5 quarters, something that I always felt Manning struggled with by comparison.
