Well call it whatever you want, but a receiver who consistently has drops and can't get separation in my book isn't putting out enough effort to overcome those problems. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not at practices or on the sidelines so I can't tell how hard he is or isn't working, but my point is that if we can upgrade over his production we should certainly do it. Now if his cap hit hamstrings getting rid of him, and there are no trades offered that are worth it, then sure, hold onto him and hope that he rebounds, but I think I'd rather go with Berrios and Crowder even though they sort of play the same position, because I'd rather have receivers who can be counted on to catch passes and move the chains. Meanwhile, sign a stud FA Wr if you can and certainly draft one in any case.
See I kinda disagree with this. On any play, the offense only has to be better than the D on one small spot on the field were the play is designed to go. But for a D to be great, it has to be better than the O EVERYWHERE on the field, b/c you never know where the plays going. If it's 3rd and short, the offense can focus 100% on a short yardage running play. Or focus 100% on a short yardage passing play. Or a QB sneak. But the D has to be prepared equally for ALL of these scenarios. Where the O can focus on only one tiny thing, the D has to focus on EVERY tiny thing. And in order to do that, you have to have talent everywhere on D. If the D has even one weak link, that's were the O will attack time after time. I would much rather be an OC than a DC when the game is on the line.
It does make sense and it actually shows that the following is true: Zach greatly improved. He had his best game IN SPITE of poor talent, not because of it. We saw the drops by Smith and Cole, inability to get open. And as good as Berrios played, I don't think anyone argued he is anything more than #3. Now imagine having a true #1 WR, who can actually get separation on long ball. Moore and Davis back, and a competent TE, plus improved OL. Plus Zach having full off season to work on his game. Then Zach can show his true potential, and we can make a real evaluation whether we finally have our FQB. And I think this is not imaginary scenario, but something that is very realistic. Finding #1 WR is the toughest task, but I feel that there is a #1 WR in this draft class. Between Jameson Williams, Drake London, Garret Wilson there has to be at least one #1 WR, which can be identified and predicted via scouting by JD. This is not as hard as predicting a QB. And we will have a shot at the best WR in the draft. There are a couple of really good TEs as well in free agency, like Shultz from Dallas. Draft also has a few nice prospects, and we have 4 top 40 picks, including two top 10. I fully expect JD to do this, and improve OL also in addition to spending most of the draft on defense.
I look back on our days with Decker and Marshall and I loved those games....Marshall snagging a shoestring pass 2 inches above the turf for a TD. Decker pulling in the TD pass in OT to send the Patriots home crying. Man..those days were great and I'd love for JD to use a high 1st round draft pick to get us our next Marshall. But then I watch our games this season and our Defense defends the run like we don't even have any players out there. So as much as I'd love another Marshall snagging passes over the middle, I'd also love a defense than we can be proud of. A defense that can totally shut down the other team's offense. A defense no one wants to play against, especially late in the season. A Rex Ryan defense. Like you and everyone else, I'm hoping JD can get us 5 great players (plus 5 more really good players) that transforms our team top to bottom.
I see your point, but the defense doesn't really have to be GREAT, it just has to be good enough to interrupt the play. Take a pass play: first, if a defender is close enough to a receiver that may be all that's needed to prevent the ball being thrown to the receiver - the DB didn't have have good hands or be able to run a specific route with timing, all they had to do was stay close, but even if the ball IS thrown their way, again, they don't have to have great hands or even catch the ball, they just need to knock it away. Meanwhile the receiver has had to run an accurate, specific route with timing that the QB can count on, get separation from the defender and then catch the ball and hold onto it. To me that's more difficult than what the defender has to do. But if nothing else, just look at the Jets history. We've had a focus on "D" going back into the mid-90s, but why couldn't they have built a good offense in all that time? IMO because it's harder and takes more coordination to find players that can execute a complex playbook together.
Don't forget that we had several MAJOR injuries on the defense which made a huge difference. Assuming we don't repeat that, and JD adds some more pieces the defense should be much improved.
I go back and forth....what would help transform the jets more: a true #1 WR to go along with davis/Moore, or a D star like Kyle Hamilton who plays all over the field all 3 downs. If we take a #1 WR who takes a season or two to mature, and the Giants drafting right after us takes Kyle Hamilton or one of the stud Edge guys it will be hard to watch.
All good stuff. I think the Jets did a great job building the Defense, and it showed. The Revis years were special. We had a top 5+ defense for several seasons. I agree also we did a terrible job on the O side. We could never nail down the QB position, so everything we tried didn't really help. Now that we have Zack, hopefully that's all changed (for the better!)
That's what I'm hanging my hat on. IF Corey Davis comes back and plays like a great #2+ WR and Carl Lawson recovers from his Achilles (I know) our team would be night and day different. I don't see JD counting on either of these to happen though, and will draft accordingly. Then if either do come through, we're that much better off.
If one of the two 2 top edges is there (Hutch, Kayvon), I think we will take him, and maybe even trade up for one if possible. However, I do not think Hamilton will the pick or should be the pick, because Safety is a non premium position. I think JD may take safety later in the draft, and perhaps sign a FA like Justin Reid from Texans. Look at how much impact #1 WRs made for their teams. Even last class: Chase, Waddle, Smith. Chase is already Pro Bowler, and Waddle and Smith will end up with around 1000 yards each in their rookie years. That type of weapon is going to really help Zach elevate his game. Say we get Jameson Williams who can deliver this production, we sign TE, like Shultz and even keep one of Cole/Crowder. We still have 3 top 40 picks to improve defense, including possibly drafting an Edge with top 10, plus high 3d, two 4ths and two 5ths to take a shot at some guys who might hit. And CAP room to go after guys like Reid etc. Get the offense right with two more great WR and TE weapons discussed, plus some O line upgrades, and improve defense just enough, and this will be a transformed team next year.
I agree but there aren’t really any top end tightends available in the draft and most of the top tightends in the league are found in rounds 2-4.
Guys this thread is for fighting about Robby Anderson and Corey Davis, not the draft. Also McBride in the 3rd.
FWIW, Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame is considered to be a 1st round prospect in 2023. He's supposed to be a good blocker and receiver. But, we obviously can't punt the position for a year given how bad our current group is. I'd try to sign Cook as a stopgap and draft someone who can take over in a year or two.
One of the guys here is connected to Cook and said he’s likely going to retire after the year. Cook also doesn’t really block. Mayer should be a first round prospect though. There’s a reason they call him “Baby Gronk.”
And... he's on IR. https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/jets-place-wr-kr-braxton-berrios-on-injured-reserve
