Maybe, but the Bucs won the Superbowl last year because of defense and Cincinnati will not win anything with their current defense.
They were 3rd in scoring offense, 8th in scoring defense during the regular season. Defense had a huge impact and setup them up with short fields leading to the inflated scores, but they averaged 30 points a game in the playoffs. I want to get to the playoffs something like 2/4 years before I start pondering a SB run. I imagine the Bengals are up the same alley. They’re in Burrow’s second year. They can now supplement their defense to get up for a SB run in the next two years because the FQB is established. This is similar to how I viewed Philip Rivers career. Despite not always making the playoffs or having the best season, was there ever a game that he played that the fans thought they had no chance to win? Part of that was his early development with a full support system.
The Bucs postseason run was one of the more impressive defensive runs I can remember. I’ve never seen Bowles game plan and adjust so well, and they had the talent to back it up. That championship was won by the D. Hands down really.
as most of you know, i haven't been watching the games, so... I am unaware of how alot of guys have been playing
That team doesn’t win a championship without Brady. Winston was 7-9 with essentially the same team and staff. We need to build the offense and support the young quarterback. The most impactful players on that defense were the two edge rushers added via free agency and the secondary built through rounds 2-4.
They won the Super Bowl because they had a better defense than the Chiefs but the Bucs also had one of the best offenses in the NFL last year. If you look at the playoff teams from any given year over the past decade there's a clear trend - they almost all have good offenses. That's by far the biggest common denominator rather than good defenses.
It wasn’t the same team and staff. They loaded up for a run. Brady is way better than Winston obviously, but that postseason run was all about the defense. That’s what won them the playoffs. I do agree with you though, we absolutely have to do better supporting young QBs. The Patriots are showing everyone yet again how that can and should be done.
Huh? What was different about the team other then their draft picks Wirfs & Winfield, adding AB and Fournette on vet minimum deals? The staff was the same - Arians, Leftwich and Bowles.
I agree with your overall point but you can’t ask what was different then slide in AB and Fournette like they are Robby Anderson and Isaiah Crowell.
Fournette was a big playoff difference maker. AB had 8 catches for 81 yards in four playoff games. Ronald Jones was their leading rusher by a landslide in the regular season. Not to say there wasn’t an impact, but that’s why I said essentially. And I’m viewing this through the prism of team building anyways. The Buccaneers aren’t a team you can model after because they had the greatest quarterback of all time decide to go there subsequently pulling some veterans with him on minimal salaries to try to win a ring. We can’t try to emulate that by loading up on defense.
Need to find a game wrecking pass rusher, someone who can replace Mosley, and better safeties. The defense doesn't need to be 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens level good, but it needs to be competent.
That's not really a very good comparison. Burrow and Herbert showed they were FQBs right away though their play. Adding receivers in year two didn't develop them into FQBs, it simply gave them more weapons. We took a 2nd rounder after taking Zach and it didn't develop him anymore than Berrios did. Do you think that taking another high round receiver will help Zach develop into Burrow or Herbert? I get that it could help him have more success but its not going to turn him into a FQB. That relies on him, and truthfully its helped more by o-line play than WR. The Bengals and Chargers were much more complete teams than we are going into year 2 of a new QB. They didn't have as many holes to fill.
The Bengals were 8-24 the two years before drafting Burrow. 4-11-1 his rookie year. What screams complete about them? They were staring down the barrel of an ofer year before they ran into us. I’ll give you the Chargers, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t continued to add pieces. How can you feel comfortable with Moore, underperforming off an injury Corey Davis, Mims and all the Smith’s in the world at receiver next year?
Yea for sure. The Bucs had no model. There’s no model to follow unless Mahomes or Rodgers decide they want to play for you. And if you try to emulate it, which you shouldn’t, you most certainly don’t do it on defense.
What was different about the O, other than Brady, Gronkowski, AB, Fournette and Wirfs? I'd say those were pretty key ingredients. On D they add Winfield to the secondary, and got Vita Vea back from injury, making them possibly the most difficult D to run on. They re-signed JPP, Suh, and Shaq Barrett as 1 year deal mercenaries specifically to make a run. Emergence of 2nd year Devin White to best LB in the league certainly didn't hurt. It was a stacked team on both sides. I was off a year on Bowles, he came on the year before. Quick research shows he took the 27th ranked D, and made it one of the best (thee best in the playoffs) in just 2 years. He was a key part. Again, I do agree with your overall point that you need to support young QB's. We need offensive talent. I will say though that one way of supporting a young QB, is to play good D as well. And then give him an offense that can run decently, with safe high percentage throws, and great 2nd half adjustments. It's what Belichick has always done, and developed Brady, Cassel, Garrap and now Jones pretty damn well. So to me it's not a matter of 'offense is how you win super bowls'. i don't think that's true. But the goal here does need to be supporting young QB's, and playing good team football. The Jets have been terrible at doing just that.
The Chiefs went with Smith for five years before replacing him. I guess that would be the "Bide Time Model."
Yeah, I still feel we need to bolster the offense first and foremost, even with defense being the worst in the League. We need to find out what we have with Zach. In the second year with good weapons, he could make a massive leap. We will simply not have the answer if he still throws to likes of Smith, Griffin, and Montgomery. Not to mention it could hinder his development. I fully expect upgrade at WR, TE, and OLine this year.
So we need a couple game wrecking pass rushers, all new LB's, and 4 new safeties. And that's with below avg CB play. So how/when we will we improve the offense? JD is sludging through mud at a snails pace. Creating as many holes as he is filling. The only way we are not in last place yet again next year, is by getting way more aggressive than he has been. This team currently lacks talent, experience, and identity.
We need to improve on both sides of the ball... and the coaching needs be better. And we could use a kicker...
It's conceivable to end up with a pass rusher, WR, LB, OL, RB, and TE from this year's draft. Some holes can be patched up in FA.
