I get this is an option but I seriously doubt Darnold would ever agree to something like this. I wouldn’t if I were him. I would think he’d just play out the contract and then test free agency....he would almost certainly get more than $10-$12M if he plays decently, and in any case he’d probably not get less. Most players believe in their ability so I would assume he’d bet on himself to do well and either get a better deal either here or with another team. I do agree with the general feel here though....it’s a tough decision for JD, but the only real options come down to if JD believes Sam can develop with better coaching and talent around him or not. Is Sam better than the other QBs available in the draft? And also, JD doesn’t really have to do anything this year. So like has been said before...we can: 1. trade Sam for the best deal we can get and draft a QB either at 2 or drop down a bit in the first round and get one 2. keep Sam, and there are several,options here 2a. decline the option and let Sam play out the fourth year under his deal, and then either draft a QB to let them compete or not. The risk here is that if Sam does well it’ll cost more to sign him than the option would’ve cost, but it’s probably a risk worth taking based on Sam’s lack of results to date 2b. Exercise the option and also draft a QB to let them compete...this minimizes the risk of Sam playing well and costing more, but also locks us into a fifth year salary that Sam hasn’t earned yet...which may make it harder to trade him if the rookie plays well I think it’ll come down to JD and a new coach deciding how they feel about Sam vs. the QBs in the draft other than TL. Are any of Fields, Wilson, Lance, Trask better than Sam? If yes, then trade Sam, reset the QB salary and move on. If not sure, then keep Sam and draft one anyway and let them play it out, and figure the cap later. QBs will always be tradable commodities if I were making the call, I’d probably explore trade options and see if there are any good ones but if not, keep him, draft a QB, and let the chips fall where they fall as the rookie and Sam compete. Then the only call is whether to exercise the option or not...
On another Forum (sorry) there was a guy that has sources in Jet land. According to him - and this is his assessment of what this "reliable" source said - JD likes SAM and will probably not draft a QB but Swell who he seems to like but may choose to trade out for more picks. In addition, he also stated that "other reliable NFL sources" outside Jet Land have a much better opinion of SAM than on this forum or others. Indeed, they stated that they think his ceiling is high and that he is "salvageable" (there word not mine) and that with good/correct coaching he can be very good. They also stated that AG schemes weren't QB friendly or his pass options. Now you can say this is hearsay but the guy has posted stuff before and it has been spot on. Indeed, another poster who has a source also confirmed this posters comments. So, if its true they will roll with SAM and surround him with skilled players for 2021. My opinion, which really doesn't matter in the scheme of things, is they should stick to the plan (foregoing) and I like the idea of negotiating a new contract.... that makes sense but like others stated SAM may choose FA. Whatever happens, this is one off season, I am looking forward to.
My understanding is that the Jets have until May 3 to declare whether or not they will pick up the 5th year option. If so, I think this decision will ultimately depend on who the new HC and OC are, what kind of offense they want to run, and whether or not THEY think Sam is salvageable. As such, I will wait at least until I hear who is filling those roles before answering the question.
And, frankly, if this is an accurate reflection of JD's assessment of Sam the trading down and running with him has to be the way to go - short of the unthinkable and TL sitting there at the #2 pick anyway.
Even if Sam might go for a re-negotiated contract, I doubt that his agent would. Why would Sam? The Jets have done little to help him, and done all they could to ruin him, from not building a quality OL in front of him, until Douglas was hired to not drafting topnotch WRs, TEs, and/or RBs, and hiring the worst possible coaches they could have. If I was him and they called asking about re-negotiating my contract, I'd laugh and hang up.
Also, the draft is from Apr 29th to May 1st so the Jets will have the draft in the books before they have to make the option call. Odds on a good decision go way up as things stand.
I don't believe this at all. Sam hasn't shown that he can lead this team. If Douglas has shown anything, he will move on from any player. Adams was far more productive and he is gone. There is no way you can justify keeping Sam. There is no guarantee there is a better qb in the next upcoming drafts. The smartest option is to move on perioid. You can build a team and move on at the same time it doesn't have to be one or the other. Farve wasnt exactly shit when they drafted Rodgers. Sometimes that what you do. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
I understand your point but the idea should not be to make things as simple as possible but to keep as many options open as possible to maximize value of all assets and eventually, get the right people on the field at the right time. I see no rush to expect anything but progress in 2021 to set up some real success the following year.
The option year salary is set in stone based on which of the four categories he falls into - having not made the Pro Bowl once or twice he's eliminated from the highest two categories. He will have enough time on the field to be in the third category - those are the only things that regulate salary in the option year. I don't know that incentives are permitted to be added to such option year contracts. My contention is that Darnold should be signed to a new two year contract after this season ends and before May third in that 10 - 12 million range per year. That gives him the opportunity to improve his play, as you say. Incentives in that new contract could make it worthwhile for him to get on the field and perform - that's his reason to sign it; I imagine it could also have a renegotiation clause in it for exceeding milestones. It also is the choice that keeps as many options open for the team as possible. I don't expect anyone to give him more than that at this point because he has not established any higher value, but that "one coach" may be out there.
That's my point. There's no way Darnold or his agent would sign a low-ball contract like that. You and I know he's worth it but he has more upside because at worst he can downgrade with a mediocre year to a $6-$8 million deal or he can have the upside of a $17-$20 million deal if he plays well.
I do not think the Jets would get enough in a trade with teams knowing Jets will not take the option and he can be signed as a FA in a year. The Jets should just keep him for year 4 and let him compete for the job. Look to draft a QB in 2022 or sign one if team looks ready to take next step.
First we need to understand that the agent only advises the client - the decision is for the player to make. Based on Darnold's performance and durability to date I don't consider the ten to twelve figure as a lowball offer, particularly if it's loaded with incentives; I just am not clear on how much such incentives are limited by the CBA. A renegotiation clause based on performance could easily get him close to twenty - if his performance warrants it. It all depends on his confidence in his own abilities and how he really feels about the Jets organization.
I'm not positive but if traded before May 3, 2021 I believe the team that picks him up on his rookie contract retains the right to exercise the fifth year option - not that I think any team would want to pay him a fully guaranteed 25 - 28 million.
I’ve thought about this for a week or so but I’m starting to come around to keeping Sam and trying to trade down for more picks if someone loves Fields or the Oregon tackle Either Sam can prove himself or we’ll have the makings of a solid team with all of the Premium picks and free agency money that a vet or rookie next year could come in and succeed right away if Sam doesn’t pan out I don’t think it makes sense for the Jets to offer the type of long term contract / commitment to Sam that it would take for him to sign before next season. Sam would most likely bet on himself before taking a lowball offer, and I’d be uncomfortable from the Jets side giving him anything more than a lowball offer at this time
what i prefer is trade darnold get what you can and move on. devote all your time and resources into your second pick........ wilson. p!aying musical chairs with sam and our future quarterback is a waist of time and effort. i like sam , but we may not be in this position to draft a qb, being stuck in draft hell for years with a 5 and 11 , 8 and 8 team. wilson is not a sure thing, but he is worth the risk.
I'm clear on it. The 23 year old player generally listens to the veteran agent who is already worth many more millions than the player. I just said that you or I don't believe it's a low-ball offer. But the player and agent likely will when they consider that they can get a couple million less on the open market as a backup. There were many suitors that were in love with Darnold as a prospect. And many that weren't. But those many that were might want to take a look as a $9 million backup considering that's where the asking price is for a "premium" backup without a FQB.
Exactly...I can’t even see “meeting in the middle” making sense for either side (like a low-end starter contract) Sam and his agent will be betting on Sam to get a massive contract and it would be crazy for the Jets to lock him up long term at this time
Well, it looks like we've got some things to watch for the next four months. My intent here was to recognize that there are many more options available than exercising the option or letting his rookie contract run out. We all understand that in the case of a new contract initially the players will ask for pie in the sky and the teams will offer dirt on the ground; once that's out of the way a real value will be determined. When neither party is completely satisfied, they'll say they are and sign up. I think it would be hard to argue against a new contract giving the Jets the most flexibility in building a future Determining that value will be more difficult here than normal because of the genuine question of Darnold's capabilities We've got guys here who swear Darnold is awful, some here who believe his time is yet to come and we see conjecture from the outside that he still hasn't gotten a fair chance for his talents to be polished. We may get a better idea of what the Jets are thinking when we hear what they have to say Sunday night.
JD decided that Sam was not the future when he decided Anderson was not part of it. Now JD sits w/o a qb in a draft that has very few prospects other than TL at qb, next yrs class is very weak as well.
