should clemens replace chad lets face it.the jets have a mediocre team.they cannot sacrifice a q.b. of the future like clemens.this team will be lucky to win seven games this year.look to 2oo8 after two superb drafts.for the jets to be a winning team.
we already played detroit. and the 'little sisters of the poor' high school is not on the schedule.:rofl:
:shit: whoa! got to disagree with you on this one. during the summer, all the other qbs put up more points on the board and had fewer turnovers. i think they saw what minny did with culpepper and started chad hoping to inflate his trade value. look at what the pats got, a 1st rounder, when they dumped bledsoe. :wink:
We hvae to find out if Clemens is the Qb of the future. If we loose the next two games that time has come.
ok rook...let me explain something to you. first of all, the Jets, our football team are 5-5, and are still a viable candidate to make the playoffs, granted we beat the teams that we should beat, so how does that constitute the benching of chad? After the first 2 games people were praising chad and all of his glory, however now we find ourselves in a crazy whirlwind of a dilemna, some of us willing to throw his carcass under the bus, some of us willing to ride out the CP wave. Why? **he should sit the bench because some of us feel that his 300 yard games were flukes, and that his arm is indeed washed up **he should play because he gives the NYJ the absolute best chance to pull out a game on sunday. Something to think about....If you think that for one second that Mangini was willing to bench Chad after possibly winnning only one of the last two games (which were against some of the best teams in the league) do you really think he would have kept him in to gain his 6 million dollar incentive against NE...our chances of winning either of the games were hardly favorable, which can only make me think as a Jets fan that regardless of winning one and sitting at 5-5, if we were at 4-6, CP would still be our man...Clemens will be riding the pine this season, sorry to disappoint
Look LI JET FAN said "Should Clemens Play this Season." And another poster said it best, if Chad has another horrid performance this Sunday against the Texans, then i'd definately look into Clemens starting. Chad has a short leash, and he knows it, I expect him to bounce back this Sunday, but if not, then the Clemens talk can certainly be justified.
All the teams that are on the schedule that everyone is saying we should beat are saying the exact same things about us. We have a great coach without the personel to beat the elite teams. We need to play for the future now. Chad can not throw a decent ten yard slant against a good defense.
One thing about Mangini NO one including Chad has a playing time guarantee with this guy. The best player plays and if Mangini feels Clemmens is the best option then that's who will play.
go back and watch the game and you will see a handful of slant patterns to Coles..if you dont have tivo then pray that the game is on Replay...i doubt that though
I see the ones that he tries to throw against good teams and I emphasize GOOD teams that we have to beat getting picked off. How can we ever get a decent running game if the Secondarys we play against don't have to worry about a bomb every once in awile.
Because Ramsey looked horrible in preseason and because starting an untested rookie when this team could still make the playoffs would be an ill-advised move. Other questions? TBTF
Chad can not beat the teams we need to beat to win. We are playing for the future and that future is not now. Do we have to loose Dolphins and Bills for you people to finally realize he should be benched?
yes....i would love to see that happen(sarcasm)...then maybe we can talk about starting Clemens since our season is virtually over
We aren't making the playoffs. I think we're seeded 9th right now. I don't think we've won 3 games in a row all season, to expect us to rattle off 6 in a row is expecting too much. With Chad we will probably finish 9-7. I don't know that a rookie can't get to the same record. If you want to wait until the mathematical elimination, you'll be waiting until the season is almost over. That's just the way the NFL is set up. With mediocre talent, you will always be theoretically in the playoff hunt, especially if you have a weak schedule. But if you have a terrible team and bad coaching, then a young QB will probably not be able to step in and do well, since the rest of the team is so bad. Only one time can I think of a situation where a rookie QB was allowed to start for a mediocre team...Ben Roth on the Steelers, and he did well as a result. Granted, the situation isn't completely the same here, as Ben had the benefit of a run heavy offense, but he still threw for more yardage than Pennington usually throws for. Next season the schedule gets harder, so it'll be harder for a rookie QB to do well just coming in. There are pretty good arguments for starting Clemens now if you want to cut ties with Pennington after the season. The only way it makes sense to me is if you want Pennington as your QB next year too. If you've given up on Pennington though, I think you really have a hard time rationalizing starting him the rest of the way out. Kurt Warner gave the Giants the best chance to get a playoff spot, and they were in the playoff hunt, but the job was handed to Eli mid-season. DaJets, I don't think you are one of those people that want to get rid of Pennington, so my reply isn't compeltely directed to you. I think you're one of the guys that supports Chad for next year too, so to me what you post makes sense. What I don't understand are those people that don't want Chad as the QB, but also don't want Clemens in at QB this year. If you want to cut ties with Chad, you should do it now and see what Clemens can do so that the Jets are ready for next year, or know if they need to address the QB position at the draft. I think those people are in the minority, I think most people that want Chad to finish the season still look to him as the Jets starting QB for the next few years.
Our season is over. Unrealistic Jet fans like yourself just refuse to see it. We don't have the Bears Defense so winning a playoff game with that is not an option. At some point being prepared and working hard will not be enough to overcome a lack of talent. We have lost every game except one to ever good team we have played this year. Next year we will win those games If Clemens is given a chance to get into the mix the way the rest of the rookies have. Do you realistically think that the Jets are better than the Colts, Chargers, Bengals, Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, Jags, Kansas City or Denver. In a month don't be surprised if the Dolphins have a better record than us. Our Schedule and Coach makes us look better than we are. Even if we get to the playoffs coaching and preparation will not overcome our lack of talent on both sides of the ball.
good post. very rational. i'm in the Clemens camp. and it's not so much because of Pennington's poor, inconsistent play; i think, two years from now, when we're legit contenders, Pennington isn't/won't be the guy to lead us on a run. consider: we make the Playoffs this year and (let's just say) we face Denver Round 1. do you really think Chad will lead us to victory against Denver? what about Baltimore? San Diego? in my opinion, Chad doesn't have the tools or the will to go out and beat those teams on their field (even on our field, for that matter). and next year, two years, three years from now, the situation won't be any different. so if we're thinking long-run, Pennington probably isn't the guy. letting him play each week and beat mediocre/bad teams doesn't really do anything except create more controversey about who the starter should be. if we finish 9-7 with Pennington, how much better is that than 7-9 with Clemens? i mean, i understand winning builds confidence, but two more wins with Pennington won't account for THAT MUCH more confidence going into next year. cheers
You play Chad until you get to 8 losses. At 8 losses you are definitely out of the picture. If that Oakland game means nothing at the end of the season I'd like to see Kellen in there just to see what we got. Chad has been up and down but he clearly gives this team the best chance to win now and that will continue to be the case through the rest of this season.
What does Chad give us the chance to win now? Certainly not the superbowl. He sure does not give us a chance to win the superbowl next year either. There are no moral victories in Football and the Jets need to find out if Clemens is the person who can help us attain the ultimate goal of the superbowl. What is the difference if we go 9-7 with Chad or 7-9 with Clemens. In the end we win nothing and have no clue what to do regarding qb going forward.
