Brandon Marshall is exponentially more valuable than Leon. Hes notably younger, more talented (imo), healthy, and being that hes a reciever he will be able to play significantly longer (Marshall probably has 9 or 10 more good years, and with Leons injury who knows what he got) That said I dont think theres any room for Marshall on this team. Marshall, Edwards, Keller and Cotchery that just wouldnt be fair. Sanchez would instantly have Peyton Manning like numbers, and I just dont know if the egos (or salaries) would allow us to have 3 #1 receivers.
Yes, Leon is valuable on screens but check his big plays, more than half are running the ball. He is a HUGE factor as RB running the ball.
I honestly can't tell what you mean by that. Either you enjoy my word play, or you're calling me a dick. :drunk:
If it only takes a 2nd rounder for Marshall, I'd like us to get in line. Leon would be our primary slot receiver? Why the heck would you say that?
I would be pissed off if we lost Washington, but then again if someone makes an unreasonable contract offer to him than someone can take him
Marshall on this team would make the passing attack scary but we would have to run single-back-spread on every play. There is no way you could justify putting any one of those WRs on the bench.
A team might make on offer for Leon if he's tendered for a 2nd rounder. I don't believe anybody would bother if he's tendered for a 1st. I never heard of anyone using a poison pill like the example given. Would basing a poison pill on where you play actually be allowed?
Yes I think that was the only time it was ever done. It's thought to be a very dirty way to get a player. I don't think we need to worry about that happening to us.
I'm pretty sure Minny got Hutch because of a clause saying he has to be the highest paid OL or his full contract is guaranteed. Seattle had Walter Jones as their highest paid OL.... I'm fine with the 'highest paid' poison pill, but to say if you play 'x games in this state', is BS. Why not just put in a poison pill that say if you play for 'this' team, you get an additional $50 mill a year....? It's ridiculous!
Poison Pills been done 2 times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag#.22Poison_Pills.22 Some stupid crap. They should either get rid of it (since it ultimately screws players) or teams should just go nuts with it until they ban it.
The CBA, assuming they get another one at some point, should be amended to say that the actual amounts paid by a matching team must be identical to the amounts the tender that is matched would pay. No daylight between actual compensation and tender and you have a system that works. Any other situation and you have effectively made the RFA and transition systems useless as a way for teams to potentially retain the rights to their players.
Oh okay I wasn't aware of the first time. I always thought that since the Hutchinson incident that it's gentleman's agreement to not do it, but it definitely should be removed. I really didn't mind the Hutchinson deal though, just because I'm a fan of the Vikings and think it's hilarious how they did it. Totally fucked the Seahawks though, what a beast.
My point was that the Jets collapse didn't come until 2005. These points are well made, but they do back up what I said. 2003 was a disappointing season after the thrills of 2002, but it wasn't a collapse - it was just a team struggling for the early part of the season without its QB. When Pennington came back at full strength for the start of 2004 the team was a powerhouse. Until he got hurt again...
The 2004 Jets were good because Donnie Henderson put together a good defense. The offense was hit or miss all season and really depended on the quality of the opposition and whether or not they could run the ball. I agree with you that 2003 was not a collapse. It was however a wasted season in which the Jets were unable to progress due to injury and lack of depth and it took away one of their window seasons before the collapse in 2005. I worry a bit that if we lose Leon Washington and Braylon Edwards and Brad Smith and Jay Feely that we'll be repeating a painful piece of Jet's history. On the bright side none of those guys play in the trenches, however they are a big part of this teams talent base at the moment - Just like Laveranues Coles and Randy Thomas and Chad Morton and John Hall were - and it hurts a team to lose a bunch of players after a successful season.
Agreed entirely. This team can compete even without bringing anyone new in, but lose a few players and things could get dicey. I'm a great believer in continuity (look at the Jets o-line, two complete seasons together, for an example of this). I hope we keep everyone and if all those four players go, I'll be concerned.
Definitely. Look at the chemistry within the team, especially the O line. I may be getting ahead of myself here, but all the great superbowl teams had O lines with great chemistry, we have that now. We just need to find the extra pieces now. As much as I love Washington, (and I'm going against my heart here) I don't think Washington has a role in the team now apart from STs.
