I'd be shocked if someone gave us a 1 and 3 for Braylon. Shocked. Why would they do that, when they probably could have had him for a 1st for almost a year now?
Fair enough, but then we'd get to keep him for cheap. The real point of the whole post was to quash the "one year rental" arguments I've been hearing. Even if he sucks, defenses will still have to plan for him for the next two years..or we get well compensated. Then there's always the possibility we tender him and trade him for a 2, which is still better than the 3 and 5 we gave up. There is a 90% chance of this move working out in our best interests and a 10% chance it doesn't. Thems pretty good odds. Genius.
If he sucks the tender is worthless. This is only good if he's good enough to earn the tender or the 10Million dollar contract. If he sucks we gave up a developing No. 2 WR who can play the slot right now in the NFL. A great special teams player who has potential to be a quality starter at LB in the NFL and all ready won a game for us on special teams. The reality is if Edwards sucks we lose the players and the picks and get nothing. This trade is about Edwards being a legit deep threat and redzone WR who starts making plays immediately. I don't discount the fact that we made this trade specifically before the Miami game because Miami has been awful covering the pass down field. This is a high risk high reward trade. The Jets realize they can't run the ball down peoples throats and need to open up the passing game to win this year.
Come on really? Tannenbaum love? After releasing Pennington (who came back and kicked your butts at the end of the season- to put the patriots out to boot). Gholston draft? I liked the Ferguson pick.......This is the guy who brought in Favre, which completely smelled of desperation and you guys know it. Darrel Revis- awesome of course Faneca- good pick up Thomas Jones- not bad either Just don't see where this guy gets all the fans from
The whole idea of the tender is based on what you offer, not what others offer. The tender is usually lower than going rate for that player.
How's that Pennington guy working out for you? I can't imagine why Tanny would want to get rid of him.
The tender is not worthless because even if he sucks and nobody signs him, we get to keep him for 2011 at a greatly discounted rate. I believe that a sucky Edwards will have a more positive impact for our offense than a good Stuckey because of the defensive gameplanning that his presence necessitates. If you disagree with that, that's fine, but then we're into an x's and o's argument as far as Edwards's vs. Stuckey's impact on our O. As far as Trusnik, if he was any good, then he'd be ahead Izzo, Fowler, Westerman, and Murrell on the LB depth chart. He's a special teams guy and nothing more. Hardly anything to get upset over. ...and we already had the phins beat. Tanny wouldn't make such a big move to win one game. He did it because every O needs a #1 like Edwards. And he's a genius because he's hedged his bet with extra picks or a cheap big-man down the road.
Much like one grat play not making a player great (Divid Tyree anyone?) One bad pick does not make one a bad GM.
How's Penny working for you now? ....so there goes that argument Perhaps you should check who's behind center for your own team before looking like a moron in another post.
Either reply to my comments, or don't reply at all. It would be nice for this to be a place to just talk football, not indulge in this chest-beating "I'm a bigger fan than you so STFU" crap. We have a trahtalking forum for that. Take it there, and leave it there.
ShadeTree#55...please don't open that can of worms. Trust me on this...there are some amongst us, who no matter what will NEVER agree with your assessment.:up:
We haven't beaten the phins yet. This team is 3 and 1 that's it we haven't beaten a single team we haven't played yet. Trunsick may well be just a special teams guy but the guy was hurt his first two years in the league and the fact that he was undrafted and still has a job means somebody on our coaching staff thinks he might well turn into an impact player. He certainly did more to impact the TN gam than any of the LB you mentioned ahead of him on the depth chart. We don't have the extra picks in hand we gave up picks. The trade works if Edwards is a No. 1 if it doesn't we gave up a lot of depth and a starter for a guy who may well turn out to be Justin McCariens. Don't get me wrong I think this could turn out to be a great trade for us but the idea that this isn't a high risk deal is nonesense.
The coaching staff was saying that Gholston was doing a good job creating space for the other defenders. They said that if he were a rookie, his production would be considered pretty good. He's like a year behind.
I have nothing but praise for Tanny, but it's more simple than the OP suggests. The Jets are a better team today than they were two days ago. With Edwards lined up outside, we will no longer see 8 in the box and Cotchery double covered every play. That should free up the running game. There are now playmakers at EVERY position on the field on offense and defense. That was partially the result of the draft and partially the result of shrewd signings and trades. The team is playing inspired football for a coach who is a true leader of men. I have NEVER seen a Jets team display such a winning attitude on and off the field. All of the players are brimming with confidence and seem poised for a deep playoff run. We have mortgaged our future some (perhaps we could trade out of the 1st for more depth picks in later rounds . . .), and some would cynically argue that these moves are all about PSLs (so what?). Others say the Jets "gave away" a quality WR and a standout special teams performer for a lush who can't catch (Seriously?). IMO, picking apart these moves is SOJ thinking because it involves searching for potential excuses if the team doesn't reach its ultimate goal. Tanny has given this team the best possible opportunity to win now. The coaches and players are talking about winning now, even after a tough loss. I love that. Our owner, regardless of his motivations, is letting his people make the football decisions and giving them the tools to succeed. The whole organization is on the same page and much of that credit goes to Tanny. I realize we have been programmed to accept defeat and disappointment, but the effort and attitude that this organization has shown to continually improve is good enough for me.
Worst case scenario to me is that he plays good enough for the rest of the year to get the 10 million dollar a year type contract in the offseason and then reverts back too the shitty unmotivated Braylon. Being that his performance has been so volatile in his career so far, it's not an inconceivable possibility. If this were to happen, fans would be wishing it was merely a "one-year rental".
Not at all, I think it's objective thinking. I've been far from the SOJ mindset for a while now. Just because I'm not getting caught up in a tidal wave of happiness about this move doesn't mean I don't know what acquiring Edwards means for the offense. At worst, we now have 2 1.5 receivers to draw defenders from the box, so our backs will have room to run. And that is good. But as much as I want a Super Bowl, I also want a Super Bowl and a perennial contender more. We have been mortgaging the future of the team for the now. If it works, that's awesome. If it fails, that's absolutely fucking terrible. But if Edwards re-gains his 2007 form, he is young, very talented, and automatically turns the 2010 offense into a super power in the NFL, along with the rest of the O. 2 solid options at WR is what this team was lacking to take it to the next level. We have it now, hoping that he doesn't continue with the dropsies as he has become known to. Having such talent on offense, coupled with such a fantastic D, just gives this team so much potential. I'm not SOJ'ing it up, just trying to remain objective. winston is risk, as high a reward as this trade could yield, it's still a high risk.
