If tebow was such a good player that just needed time, I don't see why the Broncos would break the bank and get rid of this kid who supposedly had sky high potential. He sucked, they got rid of him. He moves on to the jets, does anything BUT start as QB. They look like they are about to get rid of him. ...and the only people who don't understand what is going on are his rabid fanbase. Yep. Really good player in the making right there. Too bad he keeps getting stuck behind some real studs like ORTON and SANCHEZ, maybe even McElroy. If only he could end up on a roster without QBs that don't have an established star on it. I wonder where he could go that doesn't have some stud to play behind.... *sarcasm ended* Oh yeah, he was just on two of them where neither really wanted him.
I love when you try to over simplify it. If Tebow was just a traditional drop back passer, this would all apply, but Tebow is a different animal, in both his style of play, the offense that would need to be run for him to be successful and his fan baggage. Taking all that into account, its a bit more than just "he sucks" for being a reason why he isn't getting a chance and why he was traded when Manning came to town.
Thank you, I just wish more of the others on this forum were as tolerant as you and would show a little more respect for anyone with a differing opinion. You are a die hard fan of a team and I am a die hard fan of individual athletes. In that we differ but let me explain my reasoning as this wasn't a frivolous decision. When I was very young, my father was sent to Korea and my family moved in with my grandparents out on Long Island. I loved baseball and my first two heroes were Peewee Reese and Jackie Robinson, not the Dodgers but those two players. I would later come to realize that it takes a while for children to learn the concept of "Team". They have no problem with identifying heroes, as they grow. First it's "Mom" and then they include "Dad' followed by whomever they see as a good person be it a friend or someone on TV. Athletic teams are a microcosm of life and the players represent what is both good and bad in this society. Kids have an uncanny knack for spotting the good ones more often than not. Over the last 14 years I have spent more time than I want to remember in pediatric wards for children with terminal/critical illnesses. Over those 14 years I've come to realize who the real athletic heroes are by their unselfish devotion to those kids. In most but not all cases it wasn't the heralded, gifted players with the silver spoons in their (pick your favorite orifice), but rather the journeyman players who have had to work hard and overcome challenges to get to where they are today. I didn't see these players just once or twice, it was usually the same players who came to provide a little sunshine for these kids over and over again. When I see players with dedication like that I cannot help being a fan. So in the grand scheme of things, my heroes are our men and women in uniform, the doctors, nurses, staff, and many volunteers who care for and comfort these kids as well as those selfless athletes who devote their time and energy for those kids. In most cases those kids don't give a tinker's damn to which team those athletes are affiliated. As far as your financial investment though it is commendable, in the past 14 years, I and my insurance company have invested 9 times that in medical bills. Lastly my biggest heroes are those kids who through no fault of their own have been stricken with the worst that life has to offer them. Yet they continue to find the ability to laugh and smile through it all. They almost always pick the right heroes which is more than I can say for a lot of the haters on this forum. Now maybe those of you here will understand why I view football as just a game. A game where the players are quite well rewarded financially. I do believe that the base salary is somewhere North of $450K but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me. Nuf said on the subject for now. P.S. Forgive me but this was an oversight on my part to not include the faceless, nameless families who under the worst of circumstances are burdened with the loss of a loved one but have the compassion to allow their loved ones organs be donated to save another's life.
The basic job of any QB is to THROW THE BALL. If he can't do that, he's not a good QB. His "style of play" worked for a little bit in the NFL, just like Miami's wildcat was successful for a short time. Then teams adjusted and shut it down. Tebow may have started out 7-1 last season, but he finished up 1-4. Running ability for a QB is like ice cream on top of a slice of hot apple pie. The ice cream is nice, but the apple pie is what you really need. Think about the most successful QBs currently in the NFL - Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. Of those 4, only Rodgers really runs at all. And that's a lot less often then most people think. Now, think about the QBs noted for their running ability - Mike Vick, Cam Newton, and Tim Tebow. Vick is constantly injured and looks to be cut from Philly before next season. Cam Newton is struggling in his 2nd year and Tebow can't get on the field any more. In spite of all the blather by the ESPN talking heads about "mobile," or "dual threat," or " running," or "athletic" QBs, it's STILL the classic pocket passers who rule the league. Until Tebow magically develops the ability to read Defenses, go thru his progressions, make the right decision quickly and get the ball out of his hand fast, he'll never amount to anything as an NFL QB. If he'd convert to a FB, RB, TE or a hybrid back, then he'd have a chance to be a great player. But his refusal to play any other position than QB is going to bring his pro career to an end very soon...
Cam Newton isn't struggling because he's a runner, Vick just has a fragile body, and Tebow did pretty much everything with regards to running in the NFL that all the naysayers said he would never be able to do. There's a few more guys named RGIII, Russell Wilson and even Andrew Luck who have been doing quite a bit of running (both designed and otherwise) this year with quite a bit of success.
The big difference is that RGIII (passer rating of 104.4), Luck (3,600 yds passing so far) and Wilson (passer rating of 95.2) are quarterbacks who can THROW THE BALL - first and foremost. The running is a bonus. With Tebow, running is all that he brings to the table.
Man, these guys really CAN'T focus on more than one point at a time, can they? No wonder they can never see the big picture on why Tebow isn't playing. If a QB can't throw, they are WORTHLESS as a QB.
Did you just compare Tebow to RGIII and Luck? Yeah they can run, but RGIII and Luck can actually throw the ball accurately.
The Broncos couldn't have gotten rid of Tebow any quicker. Like someone else posted, do you guys really think that if John Elway really thought that Tim was a good quarterback he wouldn't have had him sit behind Manning? Manning, a 36 year old with multiple surgeries, and coming off of one that didn't allow him to play an entire season? John Elway played it smart and got rid of Tebow as fast as he could then laughed when Tebow was gone. He wanted him gone so bad that they agreed to pay a portion of his contract.
He may not be the best passer in the league... but to say he CAN'T THROW is moronic. I remember when Tebow was first traded to the Jets I created a thread and posted the following: He's only started 17 games. And yet he's been as good as a QB that has been given the longest leash I've ever seen. Saying he's equivalent to Sanchez isn't exactly awesome, but thats JUST looking at his ability as a passer. Add his leadership and his legs and he is by FAR a better qb than Sanchez.
Elway doesn't think Tebow could be a QB in the system he wants to run... understandable and also obvious for anyone who listened to Elway react to Tebow's wins last year. And saying that its a sign Tebow sucks when they bring in a first ballot hall of famer to replace him is just.... well.... stupid.
And me insisting Sanchez was better and should be the starter was long before the dumpster fire of a performance he's put up this year. I've definitely changed my mind on that one. And thinking that Tebow would perform well in his roll was under the assumption he actually had a roll... which he does not.
[YOUTUBE]7zuUIhv8z3M[/YOUTUBE] We can do that all day. One good throw and one bad throw do not make a QB. Its the culmination of stats which I think I pointed out nicely in my previous post.
Fantastic, he threw a 15 yard pass that any NFL quarterback should make. The video I referenced was a 50 yard pass that any starting quarterback would have made. Also I did look at your stats, and with every study there is a variable. You know what that variable is? The offensive system. When John Fox made Tebow the starter the offense was simplified for him, almost a college style option offense, something that Tebow was similar to in Florida. That's why he did so well in it because that was his system for the previous four years before that. Mark Sanchez works in a different system and that's why his numbers differ and that's also why Tebow hasn't seen his share of plays.
Actually those stats include the first 3 games Tebow started when he wasn't in an read/option offense and was in a traditional system. Those games happened at the end of the year McDanniels got canned. Ironic how his best stats came from those game... crazy huh.
And it's crazy how a 47% completion rating would be considered his best stats. I mean I'll agree with you to the extent that Tebow has more value than Sanchez does, I've said that since the beginning of the season, but saying that can only mean so much when you compare to the rest of the 31 starting quarterbacks in the league.
Sorry, but it is just stupid when people say this about someone who has multiple 300+ yard passing games, has a great TD/INT ratio, and led his team to defeat the #1 overall defense in the NFL mostly by passing the ball. Not to mention that he was one of the most elite passing QB's in NCAA history. Has it fully carried over to the NFL yet, the completion % obviously has not, but that doesn't mean it won't, and it means it's absurdly over the top to say he doesn't bring anything to the table as a passer. A guy who threw 88 TD's in college - against SEC defenses. I'd love to show you the completion % after 16 starts of a whole lot of QB's who turned out to have very good NFL careers, but like most Tebow haters, you only care about statistics that show Tebow in a negative light.
Wow. Yeah, I guess TWO 300-yd games counts as "multiple." With pass completion rates of 55% and 47%. I don't give a flyin' fig about what Tebow did in college. Good in college gets you in the door with the pros. Then you've got to prove yourself all over again. Tebow hasn't. Jamarcus Russell has a better career pass completion rate than Tebow. So does Ryan Leaf. The Tebow fans want to give lil' Timmy FOREVER to "develop." Sorry, but NFL teams can't wait for Tebow to somehow magically transform suddenly into a decent QB. He is what he is and he hasn't improved at all since he's come into the League. Tebow is a bust. The sooner the Jets admit this, the sooner they can cut their losses...
