Michael Vick is not going to sign with any team to play at any position. As far as the thread topic: I agree with you, nothing should be taken into consideration in the QB battle other than who proves that they give the team a better chance to win in the regular season, and that's obviously yet to be seen. It gets so tiring hearing people jump on these little factoids that come out of TC and make sweeping judgements out of them. I'm sure that none of us are encouraged by KC's INT tally, and it's definitely a legitimate concern, but that can't be the be-all end-all of the situation.
I'd like to see clemmens start and play decent and gett better every game. Then next season we can have sanchez step up and take the job away from him. i cant see a rookie taking this team, with theese receivers anywhere this year. we're a 500 team this year.
The thing that drives me nuts about him is that if the Jets cut him and he winds up on a really good team he'll be very serviceable. He's just not quite good enough to make it on a team that has a lot of questions hanging in the air. Then if that happens we'll all look back and slap ourselves on the forehead and say something like: "Of course! He had no line in 2007 and no receivers in 2009 and the front office was desperate in 2008 and couldn't resist Favre." Having him go to the Eagles as McNabb's backup is the kind of situation that might have us wincing later on.
Right because INTs in TC don't really matter. Especially considering he has access to the defensive playbook, sees the same D every day and is getting input from the guys who designed the plays he's facing in TC. Again, as I said, wjhat is he going to do when all he has is some footage to work with, in game day action? Will it get worse? What do you think?
Clemens is a great backup, I hope we hang onto him, but I don't have a lot of faith in him as a starter. Get Sanchez in there! We didn't pay all that money for him to ride the pine.
newsflash, not as frequently. especially earlier in camp when clemens got alot more work with the 1's. i love Sanchez i just dont think throwing him to the wolves is the answer. maybe im wrong thats just my opinion. i also believe Clemens deserves a shot, and if he sucks it up after 4 games or so, then you throw Sanchez in. i actually want to see Clemens blow it in person at an actual regular season game a few times before i consider it Sanchez time. practice reps dont say much until theyre repeated on the field. if he can resemble anything he did in that ravens game its a good start, if he continues the INT's we all know how that ends liked the pick coming out of Oregon, ready to see him sink or swim in the regular season. plain and simple if he sinks. time for Sanchez, if not let Sanchez sit and learn for a year.
I would guess at a certain point in TC when more and more reps have been completed between the same guys and everyone is getting a little crisper in their routine, you might start to make a sensible analysis of the situation. It seems to me early TC has been a lot of shuttling guys back and forth and figuring out who is going to get into the mix. Shotty seems to be a coordinator who believes in a rhythm passing offense. I suspect it’s tough to work out the over all problems with getting into rhythm on the QB this early in TC when we haven’t even established our starting WR group. This may well be why we get reports of strong practices by Clemens or Sanchez followed by bad reports in the next session? I would also suspect that our D has a pretty good knowledge of our O so your point may well be ass backwards? Hard to tell which is why I don’t read much into early TC.
to me we are talking about Sanchez too soon. Sanchez needs to play in some real games and get a feel for the Pro game. The job should be Clemon's with Sanchez getting the majority of the preseason work. If Clemons cannot handle the job then bite the bullet and put Sanchez in there but if not give Sanchez a little time. It should be about giving Sanchez the best chance for him to succeed at this point.
They're alternating practices now, so that's pretty comparable. People act like Lowery and Smith completely suck. Remember in the OTA's, Smith had a ton of INT's and was getting great reviews from Ryan. Lowery seems to have really stepped up his game. True, they aren't Revis and Rhodes, but it's not like they're horrible either.
It should be about that but it probably isn't. The Jets can't sell tickets for even this year..look for Sanchez to start..it won't be an epiphany..I am sure it has been the plan all along.
I think most people are so down on KC because it's year 4. OK it's TC and he's playing against the first team D, and I know I keep saying this but, he has a lot of INTs for a guy that's been in the same system for 4 years, and has literally unlimited access to what the D is doing. He should be recognizing what's going on, or at bare minimum not throwing an interception. Throw the ball away or something. Yes he's playing against Revis, and that's no easy task, but here's the deal...you don't throw at a pro bowl Db. If he's making these mistakes with all of the luxuries of TC, what in the world is gonna happen when there's an actual D out there that plans on taking his head off in 4 seconds? There will be a lot of mistakes in TC, nobody denies that, but man it's the same shit over and over with this guy. Believe me, the regular season does NOT get friendlier. To throw the guy in there because he deserves a shot, it just as bad as saying throw Sanchez in because he's our long term investment. The difference is, Sanchez is our long term investment, and well a shitload of INTs. P.S. Please don't throw Kerry Rhodes out there as an excuse for INTs. He's so ridiculously overrated.
yeah now they are, which is why i referenced early in camp when all the reports of Clemens INT's was rampant and he was seeing most of the work with the 1st team. thats obviously changed now, which is why i referred to early in camp. all im saying in reality is, let Clemens play and see what happens. need i remind some of you our defense is supposed to be the best part of this team, also, some players arer just plain better when gametime comes. is Clemens one of those, maybe. hell we wont know till we let him prove hes either a solid qb or a wasted pick. plain and simple. Sanchez is obviously the future, but i dont see the point in throwing the guy to the wolves. i clarify more on the post above, enough said.
Lowery is an ok corner. Nothing special but he did pretty well for a rookie who had Revis on the other side and so got tested all the time as a result. Ty Law looked pretty shaky after the Jets signed him, mainly because when you're getting thrown at all the time you're going to get burned now and then and you're going to have a fair number of passes caught on you. One of the reasons a shutdown corner isn't worth all that he seems to be is that he can't cover both sides of the field. Well, that and that games are not won and lost based on CB/WR matchups, they're won and lost based on how the trench play goes and who is throwing the ball.
Not sure how it's ass backwards. Inherently the O has the advantage on the field from a strategic stand point. So if it's ass backwards, you could be saying that Schotty's scheme is predictable? I'm leaning towards KC just doesn't have it.
Based on his play in Training Camp thus far....i'm afraid we'll be seeing a lot of INT's. I'm tired of the mentality of just throwing somebody out there to "see what happens". How about we let the best QB play...so we have a chance to win.
i didnt see Rhodes name anywhere in my posts. i agreed with the initial quote i made simply in reference to 1st team def as opposed to playing against the 2nd team def. so what it boils down to is we REALLY dont know what we have in both of them. right? assuming you agree with that, all I'm saying is, let Clemens prove his naysayers right or wrong. itl should be obvious 4-6 games in wtf is going on. and if its not good. THEN you give Sanchez the reigns. as good as I think Sanchez will be I believe any rookie QB is better after seeing a full speed regular season game from the sideline and hearing the coach's adjustments and trying to get a take on the d's packages and maybe telling Clemens tendencies hes seeing as opposed to Clemens. and if Clemens sucks. then he should hold the clipboard after a few games. thats all im saying.
