The Official cut Xavier Gipson Thread (CUT)

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  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Idk Ramsey wasn’t penalized because it wasn’t as bad as Williams hit.

    I don’t really care how the Steelers run their team. Quincy Williams continues to make losing plays. Something needs to change.
     
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    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    If AG is any kind of manager that bolded statement is accurate! As a people manager myself, if I'm coming and firing you then we've had MANY conversations about the performance, what I expect and what needs to change/improve. NO ONE should ever be fired and be completely clueless about it. If that happens, you have a very bad manager and probably some legal recourse.
     
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    I get the sentiment, and sure another option could have been to bench him for a few games. But AG DID say something along the lines of “if you cause us to lose games, you won’t be on the team”. Well, fate gave him an early game 1 test to see if he would hold true to his words and he did.

    Of course, it’s easier to do that with a fringe player than with a star obviously. But stars are stars for a reason. They win you WAY more games than they cost you. No player is perfect, but to address your second paragraph, treating all players “fairly” does not mean you have to treat all players “equally”.

    If Gipson was a guy who was contributing as a WR, and who was breaking long returns often, he probably doesn’t get cut. But he’s not. We had a few guys in camp who looked just as good as him. They kept him on the team instead of them maybe because he had more game experience and they felt more comfortable with that, who knows?

    But great players will ALWAYS get more latitude than terrible players. Parcells LOVED LT when he coached him..that guy was a mess off the field but man he was dominant on it…so he got more latitude. Just one example. GW will drop some passes. Fields will throw some picks. And if those bad plays start outweighing the good plays, they will probably suffer as well, but they don’t so far.

    I think this whole thing gave AG an early chance to set a tone and make a statement…players will see this and clock it. It was kind of an easy choice for him, right? It’s not like he had to cut a star player…he can cut a fringe guy who many believe probably shouldn’t have made the team anyway, and get his point across with a player that he can probably replace pretty easily.
     
  4. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    In the NFL we don’t really have a WAR stat like in baseball. “Wins above replacement” ,

    if we did Quincy Williams’ would be low or even in the negative. He can lead the team in tackles, it doesn’t matter, he continues to make game crushing blunders.

    A “replacement level”player that just simply doesn’t make dumb mistakes might be a better option. Yes Quincy Williams is on my shit list right now
     
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    LogeSection2RowJ Well-Known Member

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    And, this was the perfect example of what "accountability' is supposed to mean. Glenn had no choice here. It's the perfect example. Look, I was not screaming for Gipson's head as many were. But knowing that Gipson barely made the roster to begin with over Pritchard makes this an easy layup for Aaron Glenn. We all know what he's about now.
     
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  6. letsgojets2819

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    Former Jets WR/KR Xavier Gipson claimed on waivers by the Giants. Very convenient; no moving expenses. #Jets #Giants
     
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    Absolutely and it was at a time when emotions were running high - exactly the time self control is most essential.
     
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  8. LAJet

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    It was a stupid penalty, but not just no but hell no a “replacement level player” would be a better option. What does that even mean? Someone of his talent will be a damned expensive option. Quincy needs to get his shit together ASAP however because another penalty like that might cost him plenty of playing time, but pure and and simple we don’t have a better or equivalent option.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    replacement level does not mean inhouse, it refers to someone who could easily be acquired for the league minimum salary.

    This Gipson thing is a good example, he’s being replaced with someone from the Bengals practice squad. A player like that who plays hard and doesn’t make dumb penalties, in my opinion, would not be a drop off from Quincy Williams right now. Having said that- players can improve and we really need Williams to do so
     
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    I think about this too--what type and how many good plays does it take for a defensive player to make up for a penalty that gives a first down and leads to an eventual touchdown? A lot. I'd say TJ Watt makes up for this type of penalty in a typical game. Most barely do so in a season. JFM comes to mind. Net season negative or negative WAR. Quincy probably nets out positive except in 2023 when he had 3 unnecessary roughness.
     
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    And I’m telling you a replacement level at minimum salary would be a joke of a move at the detriment of the whole defense. One missed sideline to sideline tackle and we are burned for big yards
     
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    Williams already does that once a game
     
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    I'm pretty sure are talking about wins-above-replacement and in this context, a replacement is a player with a 0.0 WAR. You should make this clear if I am right. A 0 WAR player is an average player and not any guy off the street. Players with postive WAR are better, and negative WAR are worse.

    In 2023, with 3 roughing penalites Quincy probably was negative. In 2024 probably positive. Thus far in 2025 he's quite negative but its just 1 game. If he runs back a pick for a TD that would more than make up for the roughing penalty. But just tackling guys who are his responsibility will not move the needle.
     

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