I'm really confused. How do inaccurate throws, poor pocket presense, terrible decision making, and crappy statistics suck as arguements? Or are you claiming this is not the case? Clemens showed nothing and if he can't be a very good QB I don't want him starting for the Jets. I will state right now that Clemens won't start for the Jets, and if by some small chance (that is Ratliff doesn't have it) he does get the start he won't last long.
This is dead on. The Jets have one QB who's shown nothing, another who's shown potential in extremely limited action against backups, and another who has even less experience. I'm starting to believe either Stafford or Sanchez drops to the Jets and they pounce.
It's because Merril Hoge said he'll be better than Leinart and Young, both of whom we know are can't miss 1st round franchise QBs! :breakdance: :smile: BTW, with all the stats being thrown about. Could someone tell me what Peyton Mannings stats looked like his first 7 games in the NFL? Same for Troy Aikman? Just curious as to how Clemens compares.
No one has said it's all about stats. It's how they look as QBs as well. You can tell watching Peyton he was going to be good. You can tell watching Eli he will never be as good as his brother. After watching football for 40+ years you start to see what it takes to make it in the NFL. It's going to be very interesting this year to see how Cassel does. Was he a product of a good team or is he a good QB? I can't answer this one as I didn't see him much.
Tanny has said that he likes the QBs on the roster, but during this time of year everything needs to be treated as a smoke screen. I'm a huge proponent of having stability at the QB position... it hasn't been there since 06. the Jets need a franchise QB who can be here for 8-10 years. and he needs to stay healthy. its the most important position in all of sports. That can be debated, but no other position carries so much weight and responsibility. But I can't see the future... maybe one of the QBs work, maybe they draft a kid. But someone needs to be here for the next decade, and be consistently good.
I watched that clip a few times and there was definitely a WR in the area, Clemens just missed him. Shit happens. Maybe that was a sign of things to come, maybe not, but no one ever rags on Favre or Manning when they throw garbage-time interceptions.
I can agree with you that after watching enough of them play, you can a feel for if the guys has 'it'. But I don't think you can make that assessment with Clemens yet. He played behind a horrible OL and basically shit himself cause he was getting smacked on every play. Preseason games mean next to nothing. We know a lot of his WRs dropped balls. We know some bad passes were timing route that the WR screw up. We need to give him another chance to show what he can do. As for his size, arm strength etc..., if he can turn out half as good as a guy like, Drew Brees, I'd take him over any of the 1st round QB's in this years draft.
For some reason i think this is just thread made to bash clemens. He still deserves his true shot you can't judge him on his 8 games in the season a couple years ago. And for ratliff, i would love for him to be special, but everyone is so hyped on the guy because he had a good preseason. I think he has a ton of potential but that doesnt mean he's the next drew brees like everone else thinks
this team is so QB hungry, everyone wants Ratliff to work out, so the dream comes true. We are deprived people. We need a hero.
Troy Aikman's first year stats are so similar to Clemens it's actually uncanny. Twice as many INTs as TDs, 52% completion, and ~60 QB rating. He had a few less sacks, but made up for it the next year with 39. I'm not comparing them, just pointing out that shit happens in garbage-time.
The only good thing that came out of the 07 season, was us seeing what Clemens was capable of. He went 3-4 as a starter and had the chance to be 5-2 if not for a Mccairnes drop, or a nugent missed FG. He was running for his fucking life every single snap because of our turnstile oline that year. He had two #2 receivers to throw it two (coles and cotchery), and one college qb turned receiver (Brad Smith) to throw it to. Recipe for disaster. Who the fuck would succeed in a situation like that? No one, not one NFL QB. We have already invested a 2nd round pic, waste of a pick if he doesnt get a legit shot. Tired of hearing about Ratliff to clowney bla bla bla. Give it to a guy who has the real potential to be a good NFL qb.
oh i know, and i hope he works out too. I'm just sayin that i still think clemens can be a decent qb. It should be a good battle between them in training camp
:lol: That's so true. Seriously, when was the last time the Jets had a QB you felt would be here for eight to 10 years? I did think it was Pennington at one point, but he wasn't Joe and I think we all keep looking for someone remotely like Joe. Someone who can lead the Jets for a decade and give them a shot at some titles.
This is the biggest reason I still have faith in Clemens. Well said. That, combined with how poorly Pennington did with the same team and how great Clemens looked in the 4th quarter of the Ravens game really makes me believe he isn't a lost cause.
I've recently believed Namath's iconic status had made it really hard for us to truly accept someone else as the ultimate face of this franchise. But this team has all the holes filled accept for one... the biggest one. And that is all we really want - a shot at the title.
I see, you say Clemens showed nothing, and no matter what anyone says, you dismiss it and ask why no one has told you what Clemens showed? No wonder you're confused. Hell, that second sentence there I thought you were talking about Chad. BTW, who gives a fuck what you state right now? Especially when you put a disclaimer at the end. No wonder your 'predictions are never wrong'.
:lol: You're a treasure. No one has said squat about Clemens other than he looked good in one quarter. So tell me, please tell me, all the great things Clemens has shown the Jets. I mean the list must be endless given they were willing to let him sit on the bench for only four or five years. As far as my prediction regarding Clemens it would be stupid not to qualify it because I have no real idea what Ratliff and Ainge bring to the table. What I do know is that if either of them shows anything of substance Clemens sits. My views are generally right because I don't make claims unless I'm fairly certain of them. For example, I know you can't have a civil conversation about a topic without making it personal. We're having a good conversation in this thread and you have to interject the bullshit. Way to contribute.
Ratliff has buck teeth. If Sanchez falls to the Jets at 17 the best help he can be for the team is to find another team to trade down with. We don't need to bring in another QB this season and furthermore we can build a better environment for a rookie QB for the next draft if we add some playmakers in this one.
Riiiiiiiiiight, maybe you can back up your statement about me with some STATS, professor tennis champion. Here we go with 'all the great things' Clemens has shown. Are you going to prove any of my posts about your arguments wrong, like, ever? I don't think you will. That's why it's a run-around with your posts. And that's why I make it personal.
