Trading Block

I dont even know where to begin. SMDH


Ill ignore the truly brainless things in your post and just tell you my point was more about the suggested return than anything else. I would not mind trading Williams if its a nice offer.

Yes he isn't the 1st ever defensive tackle to will his team to the playoffs!! Its crazy they make you play with 11 guys out there

 

I'm generally highly in favor of offloading guys for draft capital during rebuilds/disaster years.

Having said that, I find it hard to support trading Johnson. Maybe I'm being sentimental due to his injury, but he's a homegrown talent who has done things the right way every step of the way. He says the right things, he's a leader, and he's among the most complete defenders we have. He was also trending towards being a double digit sack guy before the injury. Our defense has been night and day this season with/without him.

 

I would trade every starter on this team if they take Glenn with them. I would have more hope in a 5 year rebuild from nothing like a virtual expansion team with a coach and GM that seem like they know what they are doing rather than strip down the talent on the roster just to add worse players that are poorly coached.

 

Ok, I admit asking to quantify wins by his position is a bit much. But trading him for a 2nd rounder is not unreasonable if that’s what the market will bear. He has declined and has been trending downward. In the era of Woody we have drafted 10 DL and we have nothing to show for it. Our offense is anemic. We have 1 WR worthy of an NFL roster spot, no RB’s once Breece goes, a rookie TE, and no QB. This offseason we will likely be drafting a QB. We need every resource possible to give that kid weapons. I stand by what I said, having spent nearly 2 decades losing games where we struggle to score more than 20 points a game, I’m perfectly content giving up 40+ points a game if we can start scoring 30+ regularly. We have turned around our defenses from awful to great in a season countless times now, we’ll find another DT without an issue.

 

well I'm not haha yikes

 

I just seriously can’t understand this “unload everyone for the best you can get” bullshit…this isn’t baseball where you can plug and play guys way more easily because there is no salary cap and the game is a much more individualistic game. In football, you can’t really do this one by one view like ok well this one player in a vacuum is not getting us wins, so we can justify moving him. It doesn’t work that way. You need a defense…which means you need talent on the DL, at LB, and in the secondary. We have holes at DL already as well as at CB2…you can’t keep making it worse or you never climb out of the hole.

We have precious little top talent. We have many holes, and while I get the thinking that we need picks to fill all these holes, the reality is that it makes literally ZERO sense to trade away above average players for middle round picks…even Q for a 2nd rounder I would not even consider.

Not sure why it’s so hard to understand that you don’t get better by getting rid of talent…not unless you are getting a very good return (i.e., JD trading Adams for 2 first rounders). Otherwise we are just creating yet another hole on a roster that already has more holes than we can fill well in one draft. Draft picks are lotteries, and the lower the pick, the higher the risk….it’s not like we have a front office and a GM who has proven to be able to find great talent throughout the draft. We have yet another rookie.

The only way I would consider trading Q is for a first round pick and then maybe even plus a later round pick. I don’t think he’d bring back anything like that, so therefore I would not trade him.

You gotta start building sometime…

 

This coming from Faria

Just spoke with Jermaine Johnson - his tweet on Wednesday came from getting “clarification” from the #Jets brass.

“I’m wanted here and it’s vice versa.”

If they trade him now after telling him they wouldn't it would be organizational malpractice so expect it to happen.

 

It’s a bigger picture thing. We have two picks after our second round pick until the 6th round.

Breece is an expiring contract who hates the organization. Jermaine Johnson is a fine player but he’s played 6 out of a possible 25 games in the past two years. He has one sack in his last six games played.

There are a couple players still living on the reputation of the good year they had in 2022 (Quincy, Johnson, MC2, etc.).

I also think it’s easier to plug some holes than you’re making it seem. We can restructure a couple things on top of the $91 million we have in cap space for 2026 (6th most in the NFL) and we have no big QB contract on the books.

 

Eh I disagree. What are they going to say? Yes we desperately want to trade you if we get a good deal?

Jets can’t show their hand. That’s not a big deal.

 

Normally I would agree but if a player approaches the organization they should be honest and tell him it's a possibility given the current state of the team. To tell him he isn't being traded then he goes on social media and regurgitates that sentiment getting the fans fired up just to turn around and dump him for a 4th would be a dick move.

 

The last 15 years have been entertaining to you?

 

What happens if they tell him they’re actively seeking a trade for him? The player then goes on social media, posts that and suddenly the Jets have no leverage.

The player is pissed because the organization that drafted him wants to trade him. The Jets seem desperate to move him. Suddenly he has no trade value.

 

I can't expect honesty from this organization. I didn't say tell him they are actively trying to trade him but tell him we are keeping all our options open but the plan currently is not to trade him, then he won't go on socials saying "I'm not f'n leaving" but he also won't be dejected thinking they are aggressively trying to sell him even if they are. Clearly they told him he wasn't being traded, flat out.

 

The Jets did the honest stand-up thing with Mecole Hardman, traded him to a contender near the end of the season and he won a SB, and the guy turned around and trashed the team multiple times and they looked like epic level chumps.

It's a billion dollar business, not church camp.

 

Entertaining might certainly be one way to describe it

 

Yup.

Treat it like a business on both ends and you will be fine. Start yapping in the media, trying to win PR battles, worrying about who said what and who will think what etc. and that way lies madness. And for that matter, who remembers what Mecole Hardman said after the trade, and who cares? I had completely forgotten about that mess until you reminded me.

That's also why I have no issue whatsoever with players like Revis holding out and demanding more money. It's a business. They get to treat it as a business too.

 

Agreed. Keep the noise down. If you want to trade him, trade him.

Sometimes it can help to create rumors about a trade, specifically to raise the value of a player. Agents do it all the time. If we think that's the case, then sure, go do it. Otherwise, less talk more action.

 

Doesn't that ... end up losing every game?

OTOH we're in that spot now, with a less entertaining team, so NJJ may have a point...

 

I hope that's true about Jermaine. Even with the recent injuries, he's the kind of player you need on your defense. In addition to a pretty strong skillset across the board, he's a leader and tone-setter. I wouldn't move him.